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Date: 14 Dec 2005 02:12:01
From: Joe McIntosh
Subject: fishing from sit in
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no doubt most guys use sot kayak for fishing but has anyone got suggestions
for rigging a Old Town Loon 138 for salt water fishing in creeks and
inlet around inland waterway?
need suggestion on how to use pole stuck in ground beside boat instead of
anchor when fishing in shallow water--how do I attach it to boat
thanks Joe
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Date: 16 Dec 2005 18:41:06
From: riverman
Subject: Re: fishing from sit in
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You know what might be interesting? An anchor setup with a quick
release. If you want to hold your position, you drop anchor and cast
away. But if you get a big fish on, you can disconnect the anchor (the
local end has a float so you can retrieve your anchor when you are
done), and you are free to drift and fight the fish away from the
entanglements of your anchor line. Once you have landed (and released)
it, you paddle back to your anchor (now acting like a mooring),
retrieve the end of the line, clip back in, and fish away.
--riverman
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Date: 16 Dec 2005 04:47:06
From: povertybob.....@gmail.com
Subject: Re: fishing from sit in
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I have seen guys rig there anchors by tying them to a loop of line. The
loop runs from the back of the kayak to somewhere they could reach
easily. You drop anchor and then pull on one side of the loop, like a
clothes line, to move the anchor to the back. I suppose the same setup
would work from the bow also but who wants to fish with an anchor line
in front of you?
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Date: 16 Dec 2005 23:08:41
From: John Fereira
Subject: Re: fishing from sit in
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"povertybob.....@gmail.com" <povertybob@gmail.com > wrote in
news:1134737226.083025.165460@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
> I have seen guys rig there anchors by tying them to a loop of line. The
> loop runs from the back of the kayak to somewhere they could reach
> easily. You drop anchor and then pull on one side of the loop, like a
> clothes line, to move the anchor to the back. I suppose the same setup
> would work from the bow also but who wants to fish with an anchor line
> in front of you?
Depending on what you're fishing for it might not really make much of a
difference whether your anchored from the bow or stern. If I hook into a 6-
10 german brown or landlocked salmon on my 5wt flyrod there's no telling
which way it's going to run so prefer not to anchor or tie up at all. A
couple of years ago I hooked into a carp that took me upstream 500 feet or
so before it finally broke off after a 1/2 hour fight. I never saw the fish
but I've seen plenty in that section of stream that were well over 10 pounds
and a few that looked to be twice that.
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Date: 14 Dec 2005 08:48:26
From: povertybob.....@gmail.com
Subject: Re: fishing from sit in
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Don't be a stick in the mud use a drag shoot.
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Date: 14 Dec 2005 08:15:11
From: riverman
Subject: Re: fishing from sit in
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OR....
(I just read your request for the tenth time and the light came on)
Why not take a loop of webbing, and bolt it to the deck? One on each
side, off to the side so that the loop extends a bit wider than the
boat. Then you can pass the pole through the loop, and drive it into
the bottom.
--riverman
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Date: 14 Dec 2005 11:30:07
From: Charlie Choc
Subject: Re: fishing from sit in
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On 14 Dec 2005 08:15:11 -0800, "riverman" <myronbuck@yahoo.com > wrote:
>OR....
>
>(I just read your request for the tenth time and the light came on)
>
>Why not take a loop of webbing, and bolt it to the deck? One on each
>side, off to the side so that the loop extends a bit wider than the
>boat. Then you can pass the pole through the loop, and drive it into
>the bottom.
>
That sounds like a great idea, Myron. I have used the handles on the side of my
SOT for similar purposes.
--
Charlie...
http://www.chocphoto.com
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Date: 16 Dec 2005 08:10:48
From: RkyMtnHootOwl
Subject: Re: fishing from sit in
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On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:30:07 -0500, Charlie Choc wrote:
> On 14 Dec 2005 08:15:11 -0800, "riverman" <myronbuck@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>OR....
>>
>>(I just read your request for the tenth time and the light came on)
>>
>>Why not take a loop of webbing, and bolt it to the deck? One on each
>>side, off to the side so that the loop extends a bit wider than the
>>boat. Then you can pass the pole through the loop, and drive it into
>>the bottom.
>>
> That sounds like a great idea, Myron. I have used the handles on the side of my
> SOT for similar purposes.
Joe, you say salt marsh, creeks, shallow? How deep is the water? How
much current? What is the bottom like?
When the SOT is pinned to the bottom with a rod, depending on the
location in the hull, where the rod goes through, the SOT would
weathervane around the rod if there is much current. Your Loon
connection would be off center and broadside.
Using web loops off the side of the boat, could result in the boat
broaching to the current or wind, and then wanting to roll on its
side. You could take an unintended swim! Combine this actions with:
The depth of the water would determine the length of the required rod,
which would act as a lever trying to pry the loops off the side of the
boat. The longer the lever, the more likely the possibility that the
boat could be seriously damaged as the boat is hit by current, and the
lever is trying to bend over and pull loose. I have seen large horn
cletes pulled right out of the deck of sailing ships and power boats
when all of a sudden hit by a change in the current and not properly
moored or anchored.
Have you tried using a long pole to hold yourself steady, as in poling
your boat? You will find that it takes all your attention, and
certainly nothing you would want to do while fishing. Also the amount
of energy required is amazing if there is any current at all. Poling
John boats in the swamp where there is negligible current is one
thing, which probably means you would not have any need to anchor
anyway. But if there is any current, there is a reason anchors have
been favored through the eons, the anchor rode and snubbing lines take
the stress induced by current and wind, instead of the boat
As far as the bottom: is whether it would hold the rod stuck into it.
Soft sand and deep mud would be suspect. You would have to drive the
Rod pretty deep. Some reef environments are protected environments,
and you could get into deep doodoo for driving a rod down into the
coral!
If you insist, povertybob may have an idea, combined with the loop
riverman suggested. Tie a closed clothesline loop from the bow to
stern, with a small loop attached to one side of the larger loop. Then
when you drive the rod in to the bottom, attach the small loop to the
rod. (This small loop would need to be free to move up and down the
rod to adjust for wave action, and possible tidal drop.) Then pull the
clothesline loop so that the rod moves to the bow or stern. This way
if there is any current, you will be positioned either facing upstream
or down, and the boat will be free to adjust to the current without
broaching. Then when you are ready to recover the rod, just pull the
clothesline loop to move the side of the boat back up to the rod where
you can reach it.
This setup would keep you from having any anchor rode in the water to
snag your fishing line on, however there would be a small amount of
line on the deck still. But you would avoid the broaching hazard which
could be a real surprise if you were paying attention to the fishing
at the time.
I have thought about ways to do this to spend the night in a boat for
example in the Everglades, and a chickee is not available. I had not
considered using a rod driven down. Usually you would carry an anchor,
but they can get caught in the vegetation, making recovery difficult.
I would not want to have to swim with the 'gators to free an anchor
Because the tide shifts direction through the night, the boat has to
be free to shift direction as well. Being able to stay in the current
means that you are in deeper water possibly, but you will not be left
high and dry on some mudflat by the retreating tide. It might just
work, Thanks OvO
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Date: 14 Dec 2005 07:30:43
From: riverman
Subject: Re: fishing from sit in
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I think I understand. Its the anchor line beneath the boat that would
be the problem with a fish swimming around beneath you.
One option would be to run the rope to the sand-anchor (the peg for the
beach) through the endloop of your boat. Here is how I'd think of
securing it:
Tie the end of the rope off just behind the cockpit. One way would be
to put a U-bolt in the hull, and tie the rope to it. Then put a clam
cleat back a bit, where you can reach it by turning around and reaching
behind you. The rope goes from the U-bolt, through the end loop of the
kayak, then to shore to the sand anchor.
To anchor the boat, you have to get out and put the sand anchor in,
then you paddle a bit away from shore, take up the slack in the line
that is <behind you >, lock the line in the clamcleat, and tuck the
extra rope into the cockpit. Now there's no extra line anywhere on the
deck or in the water, and the line to shore is coming off the extreme
stern of your boat.
Otherwise, you can just drift and let the fish drag you around. :-)
--riverman
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Date: 13 Dec 2005 21:29:52
From: riverman
Subject: Re: fishing from sit in
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Hey IJ:
I'm not sure I understand your question. You are asking how to connect
your boat to a pole (not a fishing pole) that is speared in the ground
as an anchor point? And the problem is: how to connect the boat to the
anchor pole (and I assume, without a lot of slack in the line)...is
this correct?
Some folks bolt a clam-cleat on their deck for rescues. You could tie
the anchor rope to a U-bolt on the deck, jam the pole into the ground,
then just haul in the slack and cleat it in a clamcleat to keep the
boat close to shore.
Let me know if this is what you are asking..
--riverman
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Date: 14 Dec 2005 12:10:59
From: Joe McIntosh
Subject: Re: fishing from sit in
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"riverman" <myronbuck@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1134538192.077403.31250@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Hey IJ:
> I'm not sure I understand your question. You are asking how to connect
> your boat to a pole (not a fishing pole) that is speared in the ground
> as an anchor point? And the problem is: how to connect the boat to the
> anchor pole (and I assume, without a lot of slack in the line)...is
> this correct?
>
> Some folks bolt a clam-cleat on their deck for rescues. You could tie
> the anchor rope to a U-bolt on the deck, jam the pole into the ground,
> then just haul in the slack and cleat it in a clamcleat to keep the
> boat close to shore.
>
> Let me know if this is what you are asking..
>
> --riverman
>Joe answers---that is about what I am asking---SOT folks have drain holes
>thru their hulls and are just sticking a metal rod into ground thru this
>hole for temporary anchorage while fishing. I am trying to accomplish same
>thing with my Loon.
Do not want to use the anchor system with lines running length of kayak as
fly fishing and landing fish do not work well with extra lines off hull.
thanks for your help
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Date: 15 Dec 2005 23:35:17
From: John Fereira
Subject: Re: fishing from sit in
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"Joe McIntosh" <joedene@worldnet.att.net > wrote in
news:nZTnf.282522$zb5.60344@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:
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> "riverman" <myronbuck@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1134538192.077403.31250@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> Hey IJ:
>> I'm not sure I understand your question. You are asking how to connect
>> your boat to a pole (not a fishing pole) that is speared in the ground
>> as an anchor point? And the problem is: how to connect the boat to the
>> anchor pole (and I assume, without a lot of slack in the line)...is
>> this correct?
>>
>> Some folks bolt a clam-cleat on their deck for rescues. You could tie
>> the anchor rope to a U-bolt on the deck, jam the pole into the ground,
>> then just haul in the slack and cleat it in a clamcleat to keep the
>> boat close to shore.
>>
>> Let me know if this is what you are asking..
>>
>> --riverman
>>Joe answers---that is about what I am asking---SOT folks have drain
>>holes thru their hulls and are just sticking a metal rod into ground
>>thru this hole for temporary anchorage while fishing. I am trying to
>>accomplish same thing with my Loon.
> Do not want to use the anchor system with lines running length of kayak
> as fly fishing and landing fish do not work well with extra lines
> off hull.
I've done a bit of flyfishing from a sit in recreational kayak not that
dissimilar from your Loon. For the most part the kayak works well from
getting from fishing spot to fishing spot. Wind and currents can make
things difficult because once you put down your paddle to cast you're at
their mercy. I found an old plastic paddle from a pool-toy class 2 person
raft that I kept in my lap to make small manouevers when necessary. A ping
pong paddle would work as well. It seems like a simple anchor would solve
your problems. A long time ago I saw a canoe that a guy had rigged up for
fishing. He had a set up a ubolt at the bow which he fed a line to an anchor
through. There was a cam cleat mount near we was sitting that he could
release to drop the anchor.
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