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Date: 10 Mar 2005 12:23:45
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Subject: esquif Detonator OC-1
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I'm thinking about buying my first OC-1 and have been eyeing up the
esquif boats. Leaning toward the detonator. My question is I'm about 6
feet tall and 200 lbs. Am I to big for a 10 foot OC1? Should I
consider the nitro or something bigger. I've been in a K1 for a couple
of years and just want to try something different this season.
Can anyone tell me how to pronounce "esquif"
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Date: 14 Mar 2005 16:52:59
From: Larry C
Subject: Re: esquif Detonator OC-1
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Eddy Rapid wrote:
> <sexychicken@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > I'm thinking about buying my first OC-1 and have been eyeing up the
> > esquif boats. Leaning toward the detonator. My question is I'm
about 6
> > feet tall and 200 lbs. Am I to big for a 10 foot OC1? Should I
> > consider the nitro or something bigger. I've been in a K1 for a
couple
> > of years and just want to try something different this season.
> > Can anyone tell me how to pronounce "esquif"
>
> I don't think it's a matter of your size, but more a matter of what
you want
> to do with the boat. I think with proper outfitting (e.g. Mike Yee's)
you'll
> fit comfortably in either.
>
> If you mainly want to do playing on waves and in holes then the
Detonator is
> a good boat. It turns easily and slots in small waves.
>
> If you want to do mainly river running, especially creeks or big
volume,
> then the Nitro is a nice dry boat. It was inspired by the Whitesell
designs,
> and JF Thuot, et al, designed as a boat to do first descents in
Patagonia as
> he explained to me. The Nitro is also a great front surfer: one of
the best.
> But it does not turn fast.
>
> Neither the Nitro nor the Detonator carves particularly well or is
> particularly fast. For an agile, slalom boat you'd be looking at the
Zoom or
> Spark (I really like the Spark.)
>
> As usual, the tried and true advice is: figure out what you want to
do with
> the boat, what stage you're at, and then try before you buy. If you
are a
> novice, I would suggest starting with the Nitro... Also check out:
> http://www.cboats.net/ocrecboats/ if you have not already.
>
> "esquif" = ESKEEF
>
> Bon Chance!
>
> Parham "half the paddle, twice the verbiage".
I'm not a full time canoeist anymore, but I have to agree with Parham
on these boats. I liked the Nitro, actually reminded me of the old
Impluse, a bit more nimble. I didn't like the Detonator, the lack of a
solid edge made me a nervous in this boat. Even though it was
definitely more unforgiving, I liked the hard edges of the Zoom. It was
very easy to tell when you were approaching the point that you were
going to trip over the edge.
I was about 225 lbs when I tried these boats. I didn't feel any were
too small for me.
Larry
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Date: 14 Mar 2005 22:45:28
From: Eddy Rapid
Subject: Re: esquif Detonator OC-1
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"Larry C" <lrcable@aol.com > wrote in message
>
[snip]
> I'm not a full time canoeist anymore, but I have to agree with Parham
> on these boats...
Hi Larry. That's alright, as I'm getting older I'm not full time either
(paddle a Jackson Fun the other part of the time), but canoes are still my
first love that I keep going back to ;-)
Parham.
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Date: 11 Mar 2005 08:22:49
From: Oci-One Kanubi
Subject: Re: esquif Detonator OC-1
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Eddy Rapid wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> "esquif" = ESKEEF
Or, if yer British "esquif" = "it's Keith". Just ask Mick and Keef.
Thanks, Parham. That is how I pronounce it, but the local Esquif
dealer pronounces it "S. Kwiff". I was beginning to doubt myself.
Good to see you still look in from time to time, after John Nelson
piqued my nostalgia by posting a link to an old thread which referenced
Chris Bell, Chip Mefford, and other good souls long since lost to
r.b.p. Do you still use the Phantom? I bought a Prodigy (X) last
week.
-Richard, His Kanubic Travesty
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Date: 11 Mar 2005 22:43:56
From: Eddy Rapid
Subject: Re: esquif Detonator OC-1
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"Oci-One Kanubi" <rhopley@earthlink.net > wrote in message
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> Or, if yer British "esquif" = "it's Keith". Just ask Mick and Keef.
>
Know what you mean, mate! I once had a girlfriend from Souff Landan who was
called Kaffy. It's the honest trouf :-)
> Thanks, Parham. That is how I pronounce it, but the local Esquif
> dealer pronounces it "S. Kwiff". I was beginning to doubt myself.
>
> Good to see you still look in from time to time, after John Nelson
> piqued my nostalgia by posting a link to an old thread which referenced
> Chris Bell, Chip Mefford, and other good souls long since lost to
> r.b.p. Do you still use the Phantom?
Your ex is still my craft of choice when I'm by meself and not sitting on my
butt ;-)
>I bought a Prodigy (X) last
> week.
Oh, Kanubers, you're an inspirayshon, man! Come Up North and do some
paddling with me this season. Or else, invite me down to Carolienah!
Parham.
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Date: 10 Mar 2005 23:48:48
From: Dan Valleskey
Subject: Re: esquif Detonator OC-1
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I hope you get other, more informed, opinions. But my $.02-
a lot of it has to do with attitude and willingness to endure
discomfort. If you have a great attitude, and some degree of
athletisizm (however you spell it), than go for it. The boat is full
of air bags, I can't imagine 200 pounds would be a problem. More
height gets you better strokes.
I ain't sure how you 'posed to pronounce it, but it shore sounds
dirty, don't it??
-Dan V.
On 10 Mar 2005 12:23:45 -0800, sexychicken@gmail.com wrote:
>I'm thinking about buying my first OC-1 and have been eyeing up the
>esquif boats. Leaning toward the detonator. My question is I'm about 6
>feet tall and 200 lbs. Am I to big for a 10 foot OC1? Should I
>consider the nitro or something bigger. I've been in a K1 for a couple
>of years and just want to try something different this season.
>Can anyone tell me how to pronounce "esquif"
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Date: 10 Mar 2005 23:33:10
From: Eddy Rapid
Subject: Re: esquif Detonator OC-1
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<sexychicken@gmail.com > wrote in message
> I'm thinking about buying my first OC-1 and have been eyeing up the
> esquif boats. Leaning toward the detonator. My question is I'm about 6
> feet tall and 200 lbs. Am I to big for a 10 foot OC1? Should I
> consider the nitro or something bigger. I've been in a K1 for a couple
> of years and just want to try something different this season.
> Can anyone tell me how to pronounce "esquif"
I don't think it's a matter of your size, but more a matter of what you want
to do with the boat. I think with proper outfitting (e.g. Mike Yee's) you'll
fit comfortably in either.
If you mainly want to do playing on waves and in holes then the Detonator is
a good boat. It turns easily and slots in small waves.
If you want to do mainly river running, especially creeks or big volume,
then the Nitro is a nice dry boat. It was inspired by the Whitesell designs,
and JF Thuot, et al, designed as a boat to do first descents in Patagonia as
he explained to me. The Nitro is also a great front surfer: one of the best.
But it does not turn fast.
Neither the Nitro nor the Detonator carves particularly well or is
particularly fast. For an agile, slalom boat you'd be looking at the Zoom or
Spark (I really like the Spark.)
As usual, the tried and true advice is: figure out what you want to do with
the boat, what stage you're at, and then try before you buy. If you are a
novice, I would suggest starting with the Nitro... Also check out:
http://www.cboats.net/ocrecboats/ if you have not already.
"esquif" = ESKEEF
Bon Chance!
Parham "half the paddle, twice the verbiage".
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Date: 13 Mar 2005 02:51:16
From: Robert Arnett
Subject: Re: esquif Detonator OC-1
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Good advice as to what you plan to do with the boat. My wife has a
Detonator outfitted by Mikey and she loves it for whitewater. My
concern for you is she's 5'2" and 120#. I'm 5'10" & 200# and it's a
small boat for me. You may want to consider a Mad River Outrage. My
boat, & I love it, but it's definitely larger & less maneuverable in
WW than the Detonator.
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 23:33:10 -0500, "Eddy Rapid"
<paddlehard@hotmail.com > wrote:
>
><sexychicken@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> I'm thinking about buying my first OC-1 and have been eyeing up the
>> esquif boats. Leaning toward the detonator. My question is I'm about 6
>> feet tall and 200 lbs. Am I to big for a 10 foot OC1? Should I
>> consider the nitro or something bigger. I've been in a K1 for a couple
>> of years and just want to try something different this season.
>> Can anyone tell me how to pronounce "esquif"
>
>I don't think it's a matter of your size, but more a matter of what you want
>to do with the boat. I think with proper outfitting (e.g. Mike Yee's) you'll
>fit comfortably in either.
>
>If you mainly want to do playing on waves and in holes then the Detonator is
>a good boat. It turns easily and slots in small waves.
>
>If you want to do mainly river running, especially creeks or big volume,
>then the Nitro is a nice dry boat. It was inspired by the Whitesell designs,
>and JF Thuot, et al, designed as a boat to do first descents in Patagonia as
>he explained to me. The Nitro is also a great front surfer: one of the best.
>But it does not turn fast.
>
>Neither the Nitro nor the Detonator carves particularly well or is
>particularly fast. For an agile, slalom boat you'd be looking at the Zoom or
>Spark (I really like the Spark.)
>
>As usual, the tried and true advice is: figure out what you want to do with
>the boat, what stage you're at, and then try before you buy. If you are a
>novice, I would suggest starting with the Nitro... Also check out:
>http://www.cboats.net/ocrecboats/ if you have not already.
>
>"esquif" = ESKEEF
>
>Bon Chance!
>
>Parham "half the paddle, twice the verbiage".
>
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Date: 12 Mar 2005 22:34:25
From: Eddy Rapid
Subject: Re: esquif Detonator OC-1
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"Robert Arnett" <robert.arnett@earthlink.net > wrote in message
> Good advice as to what you plan to do with the boat. My wife has a
> Detonator outfitted by Mikey and she loves it for whitewater. My
> concern for you is she's 5'2" and 120#. I'm 5'10" & 200# and it's a
> small boat for me. You may want to consider a Mad River Outrage. My
> boat, & I love it, but it's definitely larger & less maneuverable in
> WW than the Detonator.
Robert, I'm curious as to when you say the Detonator is a small boat for
you, whether you mean you can't fit comfortably into the boat, or that it
does not handle how you want it?
True that a short, slow boat like the Det would be harder to accelerate as
you weigh more, but I don't know why it would not be just as comfortable as
a larger boat. On the other hand, you'd probably get on some waves and holes
and play them that would be harder to do with a longer boat.
Parham.
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