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Date: 14 May 2007 13:44:42
From: donquijote1954
Subject: Would Jesus have owned a motorboat?
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Judging by the down-to-earth way he went around preaching, Jesus would
have paddled a kayak or canoe in order to meet the ordinary people. Of
course, he didn't preach to the Eskimos, which is why there's no
stories of him aboard a paddle boat.
But he may come like that next time around, in light of so much
pollution destroying his work. And the unbelieving motorboaters won't
just make it to Paddle Heaven. By the way, how do you picture such
heaven?
__ No motorboats
__ No jetskis
__ No sharks
__ No stingrays
__ No Bush (just kidding)
__ All of the above
Though, in his defense, our president is engaged in another type of
God's work...
'In one of his most emphatic moments, he said, "I also have this
belief, strong belief, that freedom is not this country's gift to the
world; freedom is the Almighty's gift to every man and woman in this
world. And as the greatest power on the face of the Earth, we have an
obligation to help the spread of freedom." This is Bush saying that he
is doing God's work in Iraq.'
WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE
http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote
COMING OUT OF THE JUNGLE
http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote1
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Date: 21 May 2007 07:26:27
From: donquijote1954
Subject: Re: Would Jesus have owned a motorboat?
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On May 19, 11:02 pm, "mcs" <m...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> they are accountable to people who vote them out. Vote them out and see what
> is happening, and you get them to act. Say its not happening and you have is
> safer now then during the Steel age and you will be doing them the greatest
> service allowing them to profit and not act. for the vast majority of
> American politicians who don't care about pollution, murder and violence,
> illegals and news media that is completely void of information about the
> concept of changes,, welcome to America, if people get a clue and make them
> worry about what we worry about except vice versa we might have a chance to
> make a difference. As it is they can lie, twist the facts and make you think
> the problems are what they describe not what really bothers you. Stop voting
> in millionaires and people who support criminals and polluters.
Orwell would have said "the hope lies in the proles," but I say it
other words, "the hope lies in the sardines"...
HOW THE POLITICAL JUNGLE WORKS
Politics works like this: Big People of Big Country buy Big People of
Little Country, who, by the way, will be elected in "democratic
elections" thanks to big bucks; Big People of Big Country give big
loans to Little Country (of course, to buy "made in Big Country"); Big
People of Little Country pocket a big chunk and invest it in the Big
Country, without ever investing in real development (education,
health, the environment, etc); Little People of Little Country work
for ever to pay back what they never got; Big People of Little Country
thank Big People of Big Country in big ceremony, and promise to repay
the big debt; and Little People of Little Country get big promises,
just like Little People of Big Country. And they lived happily ever
after... (Moral: The Big Fish eats the Little Fish. Well, unless the
Little Fish get organized...)
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Date: 19 May 2007 07:36:09
From: donquijote1954
Subject: Re: governments are accountable for Global Warming
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On May 19, 7:23 am, "george conklin" <geo...@nxu.edu > wrote:
> > Get a trailer. A basic Google search will give you many brands and
> > models.
>
> As Calcutta outlaws pedicabs, they are now fashionable with the New
> Urbanist crowd. You can take home some stuff on one, if you agree to walk
> next to it. That ought to please those who want to go back in time.
Well, you seem to rejoice in going back in time, because as far as me
goes SUVs are dinosaurs. Unwilling to evolve, unwilling to listen (due
to their pea-sized brain) and causing a lot of trouble, like the war
over oil we are currently fighting --and losing.
And the American government and any other government who doesn't
guarantee a minimun safety for individuals who want NOT to contribute
to Global Warming, are accountable for the environmental disaster
looming upon us...
"I personally believe that the planet would be a better place if
everybody rode a bike instead of drive a car. However, until then I am
a happier, healthier person simply because I choose to ride instead of
fire up the car."
Thanks again.
michael
http://commutebybike.com/2006/11/15/global-warming-do-bicycles-make-a-difference/
Now some ecologists, who probably out of desperation for this sad
state of affairs, seeing no peaceful solution to it, took up violence
are being branded as "terrorists." SUVs drivers though are our best
patriots, particularly judging by the bumper stickers they proudly
parade: "We support our troops" etc.
George Orwell spoke about it with prophetic words...
'Newspeak is closely based on English but has a greatly reduced and
simplified vocabulary and grammar. This suited the totalitarian regime
of the Party, whose aim was to make any alternative thinking
("thoughtcrime") or speech impossible by removing any words or
possible constructs which describe the ideas of freedom, rebellion and
so on.
The Newspeak term for the English language is Oldspeak. Oldspeak was
intended to have been completely eclipsed by Newspeak before 2050.
The genesis of Orwell's Newspeak can be seen in his earlier essay,
"Politics and the English Language," in which he laments the quality
of the English of his day, citing examples of dying metaphors,
pretentious diction or rhetoric, and meaningless words - all of which
contribute to fuzzy ideas and a lack of logical thinking. Towards the
end of this essay, having argued his case, Orwell muses:
" I said earlier that the decadence of our language is probably
curable. Those who deny this would argue, if they produced an argument
at all, that language merely reflects existing social conditions, and
that we cannot influence its development by any direct tinkering with
words or constructions. "
Thus forcing the use of Newspeak, according to Orwell, describes a
deliberate intent to exploit this degeneration with the aim of
oppressing its speakers.'
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Date: 17 May 2007 17:43:01
From: donquijote1954
Subject: Re: Would Jesus have owned a motorboat?
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Have you ever heard of the myth that bananas are bad on boats?
(from another kayak forum: http://www.paddling.net/message/showThread.html?fid=banter&tid=663336#663343)
--banana's are bad luck on boats--
Not at all. For example, you can plug a hole with it. Or you can feed
it to the sharks. Or, one of my favorite tricks, stick it in your
pocket and when the ladies ask you "WHAT'S THAT?" You answer "Oh, just
a banana." Great conversation starter.
THE BANANA REVOLUTION
http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote40
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Date: 17 May 2007 16:27:58
From: donquijote1954
Subject: Re: Would Jesus have owned a motorboat?
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On May 17, 3:15 am, f...@apaflo.com (Floyd L. Davidson) wrote:
> donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On May 15, 11:27 pm, f...@apaflo.com (Floyd L. Davidson) wrote:
> >> Two meter troll <eawis...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >hmm friends in Fairbanks say its greening; thought maybe youd have
> >> >some bare ground round about now.
> >> >ahh i remember sorry 3:00 in the morning is not my best time.
>
> >> Fairbanks is in the interior, with the Brooks range to
> >> the north, the Alaska range to the south, all of Canada
> >> to the east... and 4-500 miles to the west is the
> >> Bering Sea. The significance is great!
>
> >> The weather man in Fairbanks might say, "a storm will
> >> move into the interior in 3 days"... for five days
> >> straight! They know what's going to happen, but there
> >> is no way to tell when.
>
> >> Whatever, they go from solid winter to having green
> >> willows and grass in about two weeks, in April.
>
> >One question: HOW LONG IS KAYAKING SEASON FOR YOU GUYS?
>
> Oh... If one really really wanted to, it is possible to
> find open leads in the ice almost any time. The bowhead
> whale migration goes past here in April, so that is when
> the umiaq skin boats are being used. Then there isn't
> much boating done until it gets warmer. First the
> icepack moves away and then the "shore ice" that is
> frozen to the bottom lets loose and moves. That usually
> happens in early July.
>
> But there can be a lot of open water between the beach
> and the ice for 2-3 weeks before it goes, and that is
> when we see people fooling around with kayaqs. The
> reason is because that 1-500 yard stretch of water is
> nice an calm, well protected from any ocean winds by the
> ice on one side and the shore on the other.
>
> That also happens to be a good time to go seal hunting.
> And it might be a time when some of the rivers are first
> free of ice enough to get up them aways for exploring or
> whatever.
>
> The ocean is usually "ice free" (which means there might
> or might not be ice floes floating around, but there is
> access to open water) from the middle of July until
> sometime in November. But it snows here in the first
> week of ober, so after that it is *very* cold out on
> the water. That is when they do the fall whale hunt
> though, and catch whales as the migrate back to the
> Bering Sea.
>
Thanks! Here's so hot in the summertime that I go out at night. And I
also avoid the motorboats as an added bonus. Winter is good but
usually too windy. Great for SOT in summer and canoe in winter, which
is what I do. Oh, I do find isolated small islands out there where I
can go camping overnight. Super nice.
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Date: 17 May 2007 09:39:11
From: donquijote1954
Subject: Re: speed limits are in order
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On May 16, 5:10 pm, "DanK...@gmail.com" <DanK...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On May 16, 12:48 pm, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > And Jesus told me he would go along
> > with it, since he's not into speed anyway.
>
> Nonsense - Jesus is a total tweaker.
Don't you worry. Jesus is with us...
(notice he's a pacifist too!)
Puerto Rico's Tito Kayak Under Arrest in Israel
A 48 year old Puerto Rican activist, Alberto de Jesus aka Tito Kayak,
who made himself especially known protesting the U.S. Navy presence on
Vieques, is currently under house arrest in Israel after he climbed a
tower near Israel's West Bank separation barrier and planted a
Palestinian flag on it. De Jesus, who has been under arrest since
Friday, was originally held in a prison in Beth El Settlement, near
the city of Ramallah then placed under house arrest.
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Date: 16 May 2007 20:31:13
From: Two meter troll
Subject: Re: Would Jesus have owned a motorboat?
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On May 15, 8:27 pm, f...@apaflo.com (Floyd L. Davidson) wrote:
> Two meter troll <eawis...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >hmm friends in Fairbanks say its greening; thought maybe youd have
> >some bare ground round about now.
> >ahh i remember sorry 3:00 in the morning is not my best time.
>
> Fairbanks is in the interior, with the Brooks range to
> the north, the Alaska range to the south, all of Canada
> to the east... and 4-500 miles to the west is the
> Bering Sea. The significance is great!
>
> The weather man in Fairbanks might say, "a storm will
> move into the interior in 3 days"... for five days
> straight! They know what's going to happen, but there
> is no way to tell when.
>
> Whatever, they go from solid winter to having green
> willows and grass in about two weeks, in April.
>
> Coastal areas change seasons much much slower, mostly
> due to moderation of temperatures by the ocean's water.
> And of course Barrow is as far north as it gets, so we
> are the last to get warm. Even just a couple hundred
> miles southeast or southwest along the coast and they
> have 3-4 weeks head start on using boats in the rivers
> and lakes.
>
> In coastal areas it takes weeks rather than days to turn
> green after the snow melts!
>
> >Dead horse, Norton Sound, the Pribs down to SE.... fishing for the
> >most part and oil exploration for a little bit.
>
> >I dont Call any one Eskimo untill I ask.
>
> In Alaska you certainly don't want to call non-Eskimos
> Eskimos.
>
> But we've never had the problem that Canadian Inuit have
> with people using "Eskimo" in a derogatory way. Plus
> there just isn't any substitute word. While Canadians
> want to use "Inuit" (which works well in Canada and
> Greenland because all Eskimos there are Inuit Eskimos),
> it just is *not* appropriate in Alaska or Siberia,
> because Yupik people are Eskimos but they are not Inuit.
>
> Oddly enough, the Inupiat people in Alaska generally do
> not like to be called Inuit either, though they
> technically are.
>
> --
> Floyd L. Davidson <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson>
> Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) f...@apaflo.com
well and you wonder why i ask permission? ;)
Every one else i know is fishing and most of them havent even looked
at the ground for the season. they wouldnt see if the small stuff is
greening up unless they fell down.
so i have to extrapulate and ask.
anyways i hope every thing is going well; and if things slow down a
little i might be able to take my fiance up for a look around some
time in the next year.
say hi to the sea for me if you have the chance.
2MT
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Date: 16 May 2007 14:10:21
From: DanKMTB@gmail.com
Subject: Re: speed limits are in order
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On May 16, 12:48 pm, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob...@hotmail.com >
wrote:
> And Jesus told me he would go along
> with it, since he's not into speed anyway.
Nonsense - Jesus is a total tweaker.
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Date: 16 May 2007 09:48:54
From: donquijote1954
Subject: Re: speed limits are in order
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On May 15, 11:47 pm, f...@apaflo.com (Floyd L. Davidson) wrote:
> >Perhaps the Eskimos and Indians were more civilized. Well, whatever
> >their proper name is.
>
> Well, to be honest, people here are just as bad at
> institutional poluting as anyone. We use plastics,
> drive cars, etc. etc. We do tend, on an individual
> basis, to be less likely to dump trash into the
> environment though.
I hope though they just do it for the hell of it, or simply to party
around the way it is here. Anyway, some control is in order for the
party goers, right?
(I answer below)
--I prayed on the question and the
answer came.--
Odd, I knew the answer before I prayed. Well, I prayed asking for the
motorboats as a symbol of status and power would be threatened by
higher gas prices. And sure enough, my prayer has been answered.
--Jesus would indeed own a motor boat. It would be a party barge
capable of carrying Jesus and his disciples--
Some utilitarian motoring is OK. It's OK too for fishing. We just want
the motorboats to stop terrorizing kayakers and canoeists. Perhaps
some speed limits are in order. And Jesus told me he would go along
with it, since he's not into speed anyway.
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Date: 16 May 2007 09:44:19
From: donquijote1954
Subject: Re: Would Jesus have owned a motorboat?
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On May 15, 11:27 pm, f...@apaflo.com (Floyd L. Davidson) wrote:
> Two meter troll <eawis...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >hmm friends in Fairbanks say its greening; thought maybe youd have
> >some bare ground round about now.
> >ahh i remember sorry 3:00 in the morning is not my best time.
>
> Fairbanks is in the interior, with the Brooks range to
> the north, the Alaska range to the south, all of Canada
> to the east... and 4-500 miles to the west is the
> Bering Sea. The significance is great!
>
> The weather man in Fairbanks might say, "a storm will
> move into the interior in 3 days"... for five days
> straight! They know what's going to happen, but there
> is no way to tell when.
>
> Whatever, they go from solid winter to having green
> willows and grass in about two weeks, in April.
>
One question: HOW LONG IS KAYAKING SEASON FOR YOU GUYS?
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Date: 15 May 2007 13:44:20
From: donquijote1954
Subject: Re: Hell is full of motorboats
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On May 15, 4:17 pm, "ontheroad" <s...@stop.com > wrote:
> > Perhaps because they put my life in danger every time I go out? Or
> > perhaps because I see all the oil and garbage around? Or perhaps
> > because of the noise pollution?
>
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> Easily solved. Find someplace more to your liking to paddle in. Perhaps
> they see you as a problem. I used to know a guy that took great plearsure
> in paddleing out by the ski jump just so he could complain about those na=
sty
> motorboats ruining his recreation. That isn't you, is it?
> personally, on a big lake, I prefer small coves and such to paddle in. I
> can't see your attraction with paddling out in the main waters anyway.
> Unless of course, like I mentioned, you just enjoy complaining....
Sorry, no such option where I got my canoe "parked." And too heavy to
carry around. I must come face to face with them, or just go out at
night, which is what I usually do. An strategy developed by early
mammals in order to avoid being crushed by dinosaurs.
>
>
>
> > Pollution hardly
> >> stops just because you post to an environmentally disasterous medium
> >> about
> >> some other aspect of
> >> pollution.
>
> > Pollution will stop significantly once we get the old dinosaur in
> > shape and willing to accept evolution.
>
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> Not as long as you focus only on what you consider to be boogeymen.
The totally outdated, fat dinosaur. He could really welcome evolution,
but in his mind the word sounds "scary."
>
>
>
> >> Now, read what you want, I'll go paddle one of my 4 canoes, since I do=
n't
> >> drive motorboats...
>
> > Good for you and for all. Perhaps you will be with the ants (and
> > sardines) in this one...
>
> > EVOLVE OR ELSE!
>
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> maybe you should take your own advice, huh?
I do evolve every day, and better ideas are welcome. Talking about
better ideas, here's a whole new, revolutionary idea put in practice
by another (smaller and smarter) dinosaur...
Two Wheels Better than Four in France
May 15, 2007 =B7 Paris officials are making 20,000 bikes available for
rent across the city in a bid to reduce the number of cars. It's one
of the most ambitious efforts anywhere...
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Date: 15 May 2007 21:13:50
From: ontheroad
Subject: Re: Hell is full of motorboats
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"donquijote1954" <nolionnoproblem@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1179261859.965552.287940@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On May 15, 4:17 pm, "ontheroad" <s...@stop.com > wrote:
> > Perhaps because they put my life in danger every time I go out? Or
> > perhaps because I see all the oil and garbage around? Or perhaps
> > because of the noise pollution?
>
> =====================
> Easily solved. Find someplace more to your liking to paddle in. Perhaps
> they see you as a problem. I used to know a guy that took great plearsure
> in paddleing out by the ski jump just so he could complain about those
> nasty
> motorboats ruining his recreation. That isn't you, is it?
> personally, on a big lake, I prefer small coves and such to paddle in. I
> can't see your attraction with paddling out in the main waters anyway.
> Unless of course, like I mentioned, you just enjoy complaining....
Sorry, no such option where I got my canoe "parked." And too heavy to
carry around. I must come face to face with them, or just go out at
night, which is what I usually do. An strategy developed by early
mammals in order to avoid being crushed by dinosaurs.
===============
Now i think you're just lying, unless you made it out of concrete.....
You continue to prove that you just WANT something to complain about.
>
>
>
> > Pollution hardly
> >> stops just because you post to an environmentally disasterous medium
> >> about
> >> some other aspect of
> >> pollution.
>
> > Pollution will stop significantly once we get the old dinosaur in
> > shape and willing to accept evolution.
>
> =====================
> Not as long as you focus only on what you consider to be boogeymen.
The totally outdated, fat dinosaur. He could really welcome evolution,
but in his mind the word sounds "scary."
>
>
>
> >> Now, read what you want, I'll go paddle one of my 4 canoes, since I
> >> don't
> >> drive motorboats...
>
> > Good for you and for all. Perhaps you will be with the ants (and
> > sardines) in this one...
>
> > EVOLVE OR ELSE!
>
> ====================
> maybe you should take your own advice, huh?
I do evolve every day, and better ideas are welcome. Talking about
better ideas, here's a whole new, revolutionary idea put in practice
by another (smaller and smarter) dinosaur...
snip you're typical focus on what you think are boogrymen while ignoring
your own massive contributions.
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Date: 15 May 2007 11:44:44
From: donquijote1954
Subject: Re: Hell is full of motorboats
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On May 15, 2:09 pm, "ontheroad" <s...@stop.com > wrote:
> Why such a determinede hatred of motorboats, eyt here you are embracing
> usenet.
Perhaps because they put my life in danger every time I go out? Or
perhaps because I see all the oil and garbage around? Or perhaps
because of the noise pollution?
Pollution hardly
> stops just because you post to an environmentally disasterous medium about
> some other aspect of
> pollution.
Pollution will stop significantly once we get the old dinosaur in
shape and willing to accept evolution.
>
> Now, read what you want, I'll go paddle one of my 4 canoes, since I don't
> drive motorboats...
Good for you and for all. Perhaps you will be with the ants (and
sardines) in this one...
EVOLVE OR ELSE!
Once upon a time lived a race of dinosaurs whose violence and appetite
alarmed everybody... One day a Little Ant, tired of feeling stepped
upon, and worried about her cooperative enterprise, came up to the
Americanus Raptor --the biggest dinosaur of them all-- and asked: "Why
you eat and eat everything in your path? Why don't you slim down? Why
can't we little animals at least have our own way?" Then the dinosaur,
blowing the Little Ant away, shouted: "Bigger is better, so get
lost!"
The Little Ant, then, gathered the whole cooperative and said:
"Comrades, our world is being threatened by the dinosaurs, so..." And
at that precise moment the Earth was hit by a big ball of fire,
destroying all but the small animals...
Moral: "It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the
most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change." -Charles
Darwin
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Date: 15 May 2007 20:17:40
From: ontheroad
Subject: Re: Hell is full of motorboats
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"donquijote1954" <nolionnoproblem@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1179254684.040371.62790@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On May 15, 2:09 pm, "ontheroad" <s...@stop.com> wrote:
>
>> Why such a determinede hatred of motorboats, eyt here you are embracing
>> usenet.
>
> Perhaps because they put my life in danger every time I go out? Or
> perhaps because I see all the oil and garbage around? Or perhaps
> because of the noise pollution?
=====================
Easily solved. Find someplace more to your liking to paddle in. Perhaps
they see you as a problem. I used to know a guy that took great plearsure
in paddleing out by the ski jump just so he could complain about those nasty
motorboats ruining his recreation. That isn't you, is it?
personally, on a big lake, I prefer small coves and such to paddle in. I
can't see your attraction with paddling out in the main waters anyway.
Unless of course, like I mentioned, you just enjoy complaining....
>
> Pollution hardly
>> stops just because you post to an environmentally disasterous medium
>> about
>> some other aspect of
>> pollution.
>
> Pollution will stop significantly once we get the old dinosaur in
> shape and willing to accept evolution.
=====================
Not as long as you focus only on what you consider to be boogeymen.
>>
>> Now, read what you want, I'll go paddle one of my 4 canoes, since I don't
>> drive motorboats...
>
> Good for you and for all. Perhaps you will be with the ants (and
> sardines) in this one...
>
> EVOLVE OR ELSE!
====================
maybe you should take your own advice, huh?
snip immaterial moral outrage....
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Date: 15 May 2007 10:56:29
From: donquijote1954
Subject: Re: Perhaps the Eskimos and Indians were more civilized
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On May 15, 7:43 am, f...@apaflo.com (Floyd L. Davidson) wrote:
> --
> Floyd L. Davidson <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson>
> Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) f...@apaflo.com
"I was looking south at the ice fog in the setting sun, and
immediately knew it might be years (with global warming) before I have
a better chance photograph Barrow at that temperature. "
It's funny we are connected by other means other than a paddle craft.
The pollution created by party-going motorboats in Miami goes to feed
Global warming in Alaska.
Perhaps the Eskimos and Indians were more civilized. Well, whatever
their proper name is.
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Date: 15 May 2007 10:40:23
From: donquijote1954
Subject: Re: Hell is full of motorboats
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On May 14, 9:35 pm, "ontheroad" <s...@stop.com > wrote:
> "donquijote1954" <nolionnoprob...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1179175482.758554.86960@e51g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Judging by the down-to-earth way he went around preaching, Jesus would
> > have paddled a kayak or canoe in order to meet the ordinary people. Of
> > course, he didn't preach to the Eskimos, which is why there's no
> > stories of him aboard a paddle boat.
>
> > But he may come like that next time around, in light of so much
> > pollution destroying his work. And the unbelieving motorboaters won't
> > just make it to Paddle Heaven. By the way, how do you picture such
> > heaven?
>
> You're looking at it with the convenience of a modern paddler who has no
> "needs" of survival associated with thier boat.
> If they were available, I doubt that the "eskimos" wouldn't have used
> kevlar, aluminum, motors, afterall, their lives depended on them.
> Do you really believe that that "Eskimo" would paddle around in a skin craft
> if something stronger, faster in need of less
> time for upkeep was available? Same for the Natives of the lower forest of
> the arctic. Their lives depended on a flimsy birch bark canoe
> that was labor intensive to make and to keep in repair.
So I guess the principle of "you make the best of what you got" is
timeless... But are motorboats better than canoes and kayaks? How
about sailboats? Choosing a motorboat over other modern means of water
sports is a political, ecological and religious statement that's hard
to justify, other than being lazy.
Time that could
> have been better spent providing for their families and
> peoples providing a stronger, faster, more durable boat were available.
> The whole "back to nature" idea of using bark canoes and such
> is only available to us because we are only using them as recreation.
So that "stronger, faster, more durable boat" is the motorboat, right?
But motorboats can hardly claim they are going back to nature.
>
> Now, as to pollution, wouldn't a surface of the world covered in a 100' of
> water justify as extreme environmental
> pollution. Maybe god isn't as adverse to it as you imagine...
So who's taking care of pollution, God? I would like to see him though
taking care of polluters. Hell is full of motorboats (so I hear).
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Date: 15 May 2007 18:09:53
From: ontheroad
Subject: Re: Hell is full of motorboats
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"donquijote1954" <nolionnoproblem@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1179250823.048037.227000@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On May 14, 9:35 pm, "ontheroad" <s...@stop.com> wrote:
>> "donquijote1954" <nolionnoprob...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1179175482.758554.86960@e51g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > Judging by the down-to-earth way he went around preaching, Jesus would
>> > have paddled a kayak or canoe in order to meet the ordinary people. Of
>> > course, he didn't preach to the Eskimos, which is why there's no
>> > stories of him aboard a paddle boat.
>>
>> > But he may come like that next time around, in light of so much
>> > pollution destroying his work. And the unbelieving motorboaters won't
>> > just make it to Paddle Heaven. By the way, how do you picture such
>> > heaven?
>>
>> You're looking at it with the convenience of a modern paddler who has no
>> "needs" of survival associated with thier boat.
>> If they were available, I doubt that the "eskimos" wouldn't have used
>> kevlar, aluminum, motors, afterall, their lives depended on them.
>> Do you really believe that that "Eskimo" would paddle around in a skin
>> craft
>> if something stronger, faster in need of less
>> time for upkeep was available? Same for the Natives of the lower forest
>> of
>> the arctic. Their lives depended on a flimsy birch bark canoe
>> that was labor intensive to make and to keep in repair.
>
> So I guess the principle of "you make the best of what you got" is
> timeless... But are motorboats better than canoes and kayaks?
====================
I never made the claim that they were/are. i just state that the whole
discussion about it when bringing
up the past is an exercise that is available to us because we are not
dependent on those paddle craft for
our very survival. Again, do you think that people that relied on labor
intensive boats would not have
traded them for a modern materials given the chance. They weren't swayed by
notalgia, they needed
them for their survival. I'd say anything that would have given they a
better chance at that survival
would have been welcome.
How
> about sailboats? Choosing a motorboat over other modern means of water
> sports is a political, ecological and religious statement that's hard
> to justify, other than being lazy.
============================
Again, termed in our lack of need for a boat. To most of us they are all
just basically entertainment.
>
> Time that could
>> have been better spent providing for their families and
>> peoples providing a stronger, faster, more durable boat were available.
>> The whole "back to nature" idea of using bark canoes and such
>> is only available to us because we are only using them as recreation.
>
> So that "stronger, faster, more durable boat" is the motorboat, right?
> But motorboats can hardly claim they are going back to nature.
========================
Again, why not try reading what I wrote, not what your politics wants it to
say.
>
>>
>> Now, as to pollution, wouldn't a surface of the world covered in a 100'
>> of
>> water justify as extreme environmental
>> pollution. Maybe god isn't as adverse to it as you imagine...
>
> So who's taking care of pollution, God? I would like to see him though
> taking care of polluters. Hell is full of motorboats (so I hear).
> =====================
It's full of hypocrites too, I hear....
Why such a determinede hatred of motorboats, eyt here you are embracing
usenet. Pollution hardly
stops just because you post to an environmentally disasterous medium about
some other aspect of
pollution.
Now, read what you want, I'll go paddle one of my 4 canoes, since I don't
drive motorboats...
>
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Date: 15 May 2007 08:39:32
From: Two meter troll
Subject: Re: Would Jesus have owned a motorboat?
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On May 15, 4:43 am, f...@apaflo.com (Floyd L. Davidson) wrote:
> Two meter troll <eawis...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >na Floyed i managed to spend most of my life up there and didnt meet a
> >single Eskimo.
>
> I have no idea where "up there" is to you, or what ages or how long
> "most" of your life would be.
>
> > I am well aware of the plural. I am also well aware that it depends
> >on the what each real person feels is acceptable. you can refer to
> >the entire ethinic grouping as what ever you want you live there;
> >personally i was a guest and learned to mind my manners.
>
> Indeed I do live here (and have for decades). My children are all
> Eskimos. So are my grandchildren. Yup'ik though, not Inupiat.
>
> >while we are at it; is the ice still to thick to whale if not the hunt
> >should have begun hows it going?
>
> The ice is now too thin to hunt. (It is never too thick.) They
> hunt in the open leads, but the ice has to be strong enough to
> pull a 60,000 pound whale out on in order to butcher it.
>
> The spring whaling season is over, though the boats have not yet
> been brought in off the ice.
>
> I'm not sure how many were taken, but it was something like 10
> or 12 of the 22 allocated. Come fall, when the bowhead whales
> migrate back to the Bering Sea, they'll get the rest of the
> quota. But fall hunts are not as much fun as the spring hunt.
> Everyone gets to camp out on the ice and work in huge teams as a
> community, so they love it. In the fall three guys in a power
> boat go shoot a whale and tow it home. It does take a community
> effort to cut it up, but that lasts for only 4-5 hours. (It's a
> lot easier to take pictures of though!)
>
> >has the tundra flowerd and do you have pics?
>
> We are still full blown winter here, for maybe 3-4 more weeks.
> The current temperature is -17C (1F) and the high today was -8C
> (18F). Even at that temperature though, at midday the direct
> sunshine warmed the roads up enough to melt snow and make mud
> puddles and pot holes! Summer's coming...
>
> Hmmm... I don't think I have any flower pictures on my web
> page. Maybe that should be another project for this summer. My
> main thing for this summer is to use a microscope to look at
> little things in the water around here (both on the tundra and
> in the ocean). Should make for some interesting photography.
>
> --
> Floyd L. Davidson <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson>
> Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) f...@apaflo.com
hmm friends in Fairbanks say its greening; thought maybe youd have
some bare ground round about now.
ahh i remember sorry 3:00 in the morning is not my best time.
Dead horse, Norton Sound, the Pribs down to SE.... fishing for the
most part and oil exploration for a little bit.
I dont Call any one Eskimo untill I ask.
looking forward to the pic's
2MT
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Date: 15 May 2007 02:11:10
From: Two meter troll
Subject: Re: Would Jesus have owned a motorboat?
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On May 15, 1:20 am, "ontheroad" <s...@stop.com > wrote:
> "Floyd L. Davidson" <f...@apaflo.com> wrote in messagenews:87tzue7fb2.fld@barrow.com...
>
> > "ontheroad" <s...@stop.com> wrote:
>
> >>You're looking at it with the convenience of a modern paddler who has no
> >>"needs" of survival associated with thier boat.
> >>If they were available, I doubt that the "eskimos" wouldn't have used
> >>kevlar, aluminum, motors, afterall, their lives depended on them.
> >>Do you really believe that that "Eskimo" would paddle around in a skin
> >>craft
> >>if something stronger, faster in need of less
> >>time for upkeep was available?
>
> > Careful. Like everyone, today's Eskimos have access to every
> > bit of modern technology that is available to anyone anywhere on
> > earth, but they have not entirely abandoned the skin boat.
> > While it is true that nobody builds or uses a kayak today for
> > hunting birds or seals as was done 50-60 years ago, the skin
> > covered umiaq is very much alive for whale hunting.
>
> > Seehttp://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson/umiaqsfor a look.
>
> > It may well be a old technology, but it also just happens to be the
> > *best* technology. There are small things you'd never guess at
> > making differences... like the use of caribou sinew to tie the
> > skin covering to the wood frame. They've tried a lot of modern
> > replacements, and none of them are as good.
>
> > --
> > Floyd L. Davidson <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson>
> > Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) f...@apaflo.com
na Floyed i managed to spend most of my life up there and didnt meet a
single Eskimo.
I am well aware of the plural. I am also well aware that it depends
on the what each real person feels is acceptable. you can refer to
the entire ethinic grouping as what ever you want you live there;
personally i was a guest and learned to mind my manners.
while we are at it; is the ice still to thick to whale if not the hunt
should have begun hows it going?
has the tundra flowerd and do you have pics?
2MT
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Date: 14 May 2007 20:27:54
From: Two meter troll
Subject: Re: Would Jesus have owned a motorboat?
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On May 14, 6:35 pm, "ontheroad" <s...@stop.com > wrote:
> "donquijote1954" <nolionnoprob...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1179175482.758554.86960@e51g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Judging by the down-to-earth way he went around preaching, Jesus would
> > have paddled a kayak or canoe in order to meet the ordinary people. Of
> > course, he didn't preach to the Eskimos, which is why there's no
> > stories of him aboard a paddle boat.
>
> > But he may come like that next time around, in light of so much
> > pollution destroying his work. And the unbelieving motorboaters won't
> > just make it to Paddle Heaven. By the way, how do you picture such
> > heaven?
>
> You're looking at it with the convenience of a modern paddler who has no
> "needs" of survival associated with thier boat.
> If they were available, I doubt that the "eskimos" wouldn't have used
> kevlar, aluminum, motors, afterall, their lives depended on them.
> Do you really believe that that "Eskimo" would paddle around in a skin craft
> if something stronger, faster in need of less
> time for upkeep was available? Same for the Natives of the lower forest of
> the arctic. Their lives depended on a flimsy birch bark canoe
> that was labor intensive to make and to keep in repair. Time that could
> have been better spent providing for their families and
> peoples providing a stronger, faster, more durable boat were available.
> The whole "back to nature" idea of using bark canoes and such
> is only available to us because we are only using them as recreation.
>
> Now, as to pollution, wouldn't a surface of the world covered in a 100' of
> water justify as extreme environmental
> pollution. Maybe god isn't as adverse to it as you imagine...
go north young men go north.
and stop insuting people.
you have inupiats, inuets, athbaskins, aliute, Etc. you dont have
eskimos.
the north people works to but most folks i've met in the arctic dont
like being called eskimo, kinda like the british dont like being
called limeys. course then there are us squaire heads and we just dont
like to be called.
aint rocks a bitch tho.
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Date: 20 May 2007 12:16:47
From: Grip
Subject: Re: Would Jesus have owned a motorboat?
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PC police, gotta love em
"Two meter troll" <eawisner@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1179199674.665725.149320@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On May 14, 6:35 pm, "ontheroad" <s...@stop.com> wrote:
> > "donquijote1954" <nolionnoprob...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > news:1179175482.758554.86960@e51g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > > Judging by the down-to-earth way he went around preaching, Jesus would
> > > have paddled a kayak or canoe in order to meet the ordinary people. Of
> > > course, he didn't preach to the Eskimos, which is why there's no
> > > stories of him aboard a paddle boat.
> >
> > > But he may come like that next time around, in light of so much
> > > pollution destroying his work. And the unbelieving motorboaters won't
> > > just make it to Paddle Heaven. By the way, how do you picture such
> > > heaven?
> >
> > You're looking at it with the convenience of a modern paddler who has no
> > "needs" of survival associated with thier boat.
> > If they were available, I doubt that the "eskimos" wouldn't have used
> > kevlar, aluminum, motors, afterall, their lives depended on them.
> > Do you really believe that that "Eskimo" would paddle around in a skin
craft
> > if something stronger, faster in need of less
> > time for upkeep was available? Same for the Natives of the lower
forest of
> > the arctic. Their lives depended on a flimsy birch bark canoe
> > that was labor intensive to make and to keep in repair. Time that could
> > have been better spent providing for their families and
> > peoples providing a stronger, faster, more durable boat were available.
> > The whole "back to nature" idea of using bark canoes and such
> > is only available to us because we are only using them as recreation.
> >
> > Now, as to pollution, wouldn't a surface of the world covered in a 100'
of
> > water justify as extreme environmental
> > pollution. Maybe god isn't as adverse to it as you imagine...
>
>
>
> go north young men go north.
> and stop insuting people.
>
> you have inupiats, inuets, athbaskins, aliute, Etc. you dont have
> eskimos.
> the north people works to but most folks i've met in the arctic dont
> like being called eskimo, kinda like the british dont like being
> called limeys. course then there are us squaire heads and we just dont
> like to be called.
>
> aint rocks a bitch tho.
>
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Date: 15 May 2007 04:06:03
From: ontheroad
Subject: Re: Would Jesus have owned a motorboat?
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hey, troll-boy. Why do you think I but his word in quotes? The point of
the message is still the same.
thanks for showing your lack of cognitive abiliteis.
"Two meter troll" <eawisner@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1179199674.665725.149320@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On May 14, 6:35 pm, "ontheroad" <s...@stop.com> wrote:
>> "donquijote1954" <nolionnoprob...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1179175482.758554.86960@e51g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > Judging by the down-to-earth way he went around preaching, Jesus would
>> > have paddled a kayak or canoe in order to meet the ordinary people. Of
>> > course, he didn't preach to the Eskimos, which is why there's no
>> > stories of him aboard a paddle boat.
>>
>> > But he may come like that next time around, in light of so much
>> > pollution destroying his work. And the unbelieving motorboaters won't
>> > just make it to Paddle Heaven. By the way, how do you picture such
>> > heaven?
>>
>> You're looking at it with the convenience of a modern paddler who has no
>> "needs" of survival associated with thier boat.
>> If they were available, I doubt that the "eskimos" wouldn't have used
>> kevlar, aluminum, motors, afterall, their lives depended on them.
>> Do you really believe that that "Eskimo" would paddle around in a skin
>> craft
>> if something stronger, faster in need of less
>> time for upkeep was available? Same for the Natives of the lower forest
>> of
>> the arctic. Their lives depended on a flimsy birch bark canoe
>> that was labor intensive to make and to keep in repair. Time that could
>> have been better spent providing for their families and
>> peoples providing a stronger, faster, more durable boat were available.
>> The whole "back to nature" idea of using bark canoes and such
>> is only available to us because we are only using them as recreation.
>>
>> Now, as to pollution, wouldn't a surface of the world covered in a 100'
>> of
>> water justify as extreme environmental
>> pollution. Maybe god isn't as adverse to it as you imagine...
>
>
>
> go north young men go north.
> and stop insuting people.
>
> you have inupiats, inuets, athbaskins, aliute, Etc. you dont have
> eskimos.
> the north people works to but most folks i've met in the arctic dont
> like being called eskimo, kinda like the british dont like being
> called limeys. course then there are us squaire heads and we just dont
> like to be called.
>
> aint rocks a bitch tho.
>
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Date: 15 May 2007 01:35:48
From: ontheroad
Subject: Re: Would Jesus have owned a motorboat?
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"donquijote1954" <nolionnoproblem@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1179175482.758554.86960@e51g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> Judging by the down-to-earth way he went around preaching, Jesus would
> have paddled a kayak or canoe in order to meet the ordinary people. Of
> course, he didn't preach to the Eskimos, which is why there's no
> stories of him aboard a paddle boat.
>
> But he may come like that next time around, in light of so much
> pollution destroying his work. And the unbelieving motorboaters won't
> just make it to Paddle Heaven. By the way, how do you picture such
> heaven?
You're looking at it with the convenience of a modern paddler who has no
"needs" of survival associated with thier boat.
If they were available, I doubt that the "eskimos" wouldn't have used
kevlar, aluminum, motors, afterall, their lives depended on them.
Do you really believe that that "Eskimo" would paddle around in a skin craft
if something stronger, faster in need of less
time for upkeep was available? Same for the Natives of the lower forest of
the arctic. Their lives depended on a flimsy birch bark canoe
that was labor intensive to make and to keep in repair. Time that could
have been better spent providing for their families and
peoples providing a stronger, faster, more durable boat were available.
The whole "back to nature" idea of using bark canoes and such
is only available to us because we are only using them as recreation.
Now, as to pollution, wouldn't a surface of the world covered in a 100' of
water justify as extreme environmental
pollution. Maybe god isn't as adverse to it as you imagine...
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Date: 16 May 2007 23:15:26
From: Floyd L. Davidson
Subject: Re: Would Jesus have owned a motorboat?
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donquijote1954 <nolionnoproblem@hotmail.com > wrote:
>On May 15, 11:27 pm, f...@apaflo.com (Floyd L. Davidson) wrote:
>> Two meter troll <eawis...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >hmm friends in Fairbanks say its greening; thought maybe youd have
>> >some bare ground round about now.
>> >ahh i remember sorry 3:00 in the morning is not my best time.
>>
>> Fairbanks is in the interior, with the Brooks range to
>> the north, the Alaska range to the south, all of Canada
>> to the east... and 4-500 miles to the west is the
>> Bering Sea. The significance is great!
>>
>> The weather man in Fairbanks might say, "a storm will
>> move into the interior in 3 days"... for five days
>> straight! They know what's going to happen, but there
>> is no way to tell when.
>>
>> Whatever, they go from solid winter to having green
>> willows and grass in about two weeks, in April.
>>
>
>One question: HOW LONG IS KAYAKING SEASON FOR YOU GUYS?
Oh... If one really really wanted to, it is possible to
find open leads in the ice almost any time. The bowhead
whale migration goes past here in April, so that is when
the umiaq skin boats are being used. Then there isn't
much boating done until it gets warmer. First the
icepack moves away and then the "shore ice" that is
frozen to the bottom lets loose and moves. That usually
happens in early July.
But there can be a lot of open water between the beach
and the ice for 2-3 weeks before it goes, and that is
when we see people fooling around with kayaqs. The
reason is because that 1-500 yard stretch of water is
nice an calm, well protected from any ocean winds by the
ice on one side and the shore on the other.
That also happens to be a good time to go seal hunting.
And it might be a time when some of the rivers are first
free of ice enough to get up them aways for exploring or
whatever.
The ocean is usually "ice free" (which means there might
or might not be ice floes floating around, but there is
access to open water) from the middle of July until
sometime in November. But it snows here in the first
week of ober, so after that it is *very* cold out on
the water. That is when they do the fall whale hunt
though, and catch whales as the migrate back to the
Bering Sea.
--
Floyd L. Davidson <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson >
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd@apaflo.com
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Date: 15 May 2007 19:47:27
From: Floyd L. Davidson
Subject: Re: Perhaps the Eskimos and Indians were more civilized
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donquijote1954 <nolionnoproblem@hotmail.com > wrote:
>On May 15, 7:43 am, f...@apaflo.com (Floyd L. Davidson) wrote:
>
>> --
>> Floyd L. Davidson <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson>
>> Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) f...@apaflo.com
>
>"I was looking south at the ice fog in the setting sun, and
>immediately knew it might be years (with global warming) before I have
>a better chance photograph Barrow at that temperature. "
Hee hee... I should have waited a few days, because
what I got was just a -40, and 3 or 4 days later it
actually hit record low temperatures at -57F. But the
ice fog wasn't as nice, so I didn't bother to take more
pictures. (Now I think I should have, but at -57 I
wasn't exactly excited about starting my truck.)
>It's funny we are connected by other means other than a paddle craft.
>The pollution created by party-going motorboats in Miami goes to feed
>Global warming in Alaska.
>
>Perhaps the Eskimos and Indians were more civilized. Well, whatever
>their proper name is.
Well, to be honest, people here are just as bad at
institutional poluting as anyone. We use plastics,
drive cars, etc. etc. We do tend, on an individual
basis, to be less likely to dump trash into the
environment though.
--
Floyd L. Davidson <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson >
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd@apaflo.com
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Date: 15 May 2007 19:40:57
From: Floyd L. Davidson
Subject: Re: Would Jesus have owned a motorboat?
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Bill Tuthill <ccreekin@yahoo.com > wrote:
>Floyd L. Davidson <floyd@apaflo.com> wrote:
>> It may well be a old technology, but it also just happens to be the
>> *best* technology. There are small things you'd never guess at
>> making differences... like the use of caribou sinew to tie the
>> skin covering to the wood frame. They've tried a lot of modern
>> replacements, and none of them are as good.
>
>Why? Seriously, I would like to know in what ways these skin boats
>tied with caribou sinew are better. I'm sure nylon thread is more
>quickly degraded by UV than caribou sinew, but how much UV radiation
>can there be at that latitude? However I would think fiberglass
>would last longer than skin.
>
>On your website, the umiaqs look bigger than I thought they would be.
>
>I thought this would be a throw-away thread, but your post was interesting!
>Thanks.
Well, I don't know if UV radiation damage is
signficicant or not. I'd guess it might be, because
these boats are exposed to 24 hours of sunlight for
months at a time. However, the skin cover generally
only lasts for 2 or 3 years too, so it isn't like damage
over a 5 year period would be important.
But that isn't the problem.
Nylon and other synthetics are all very rough and
abrassive, and very solid compared to caribou sinew.
The synthetics tend to cut whatever they rub against.
They are also easier to damage when they suffer
impact and compression with solid/sharp objects.
The same significance attaches to wood planked boats,
fiberglass boats, plywood boats, and aluminum boats!
Aluminum also suffers from a noise problem, because the
metalic sounds in the water (either from activity in the
boat or from contact with floating ice in the water)
will tend to scare off bowhead whales, walrus and seals.
But the greatest significance is when the boats are
hauled, on a sled, out to a whaling camp on the icepack.
The ice is extremely rough, going over paths cut through
ridges, and the boats get banged around pretty badly in
the process. Aluminum boats suffer the worst, and get
dented and damaged severely unless extreme care is
taken.
The material that is both the least damaged and the
easiest to patch is oogrook (bearded) seal skin. The
binding material that causes the least damage to the
seal skin is caribou sinew. Anything else increases the
maintenance requirements significantly.
--
Floyd L. Davidson <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson >
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd@apaflo.com
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Date: 15 May 2007 19:27:01
From: Floyd L. Davidson
Subject: Re: Would Jesus have owned a motorboat?
|
Two meter troll <eawisner@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>hmm friends in Fairbanks say its greening; thought maybe youd have
>some bare ground round about now.
>ahh i remember sorry 3:00 in the morning is not my best time.
Fairbanks is in the interior, with the Brooks range to
the north, the Alaska range to the south, all of Canada
to the east... and 4-500 miles to the west is the
Bering Sea. The significance is great!
The weather man in Fairbanks might say, "a storm will
move into the interior in 3 days"... for five days
straight! They know what's going to happen, but there
is no way to tell when.
Whatever, they go from solid winter to having green
willows and grass in about two weeks, in April.
Coastal areas change seasons much much slower, mostly
due to moderation of temperatures by the ocean's water.
And of course Barrow is as far north as it gets, so we
are the last to get warm. Even just a couple hundred
miles southeast or southwest along the coast and they
have 3-4 weeks head start on using boats in the rivers
and lakes.
In coastal areas it takes weeks rather than days to turn
green after the snow melts!
>Dead horse, Norton Sound, the Pribs down to SE.... fishing for the
>most part and oil exploration for a little bit.
>
>I dont Call any one Eskimo untill I ask.
In Alaska you certainly don't want to call non-Eskimos
Eskimos.
But we've never had the problem that Canadian Inuit have
with people using "Eskimo" in a derogatory way. Plus
there just isn't any substitute word. While Canadians
want to use "Inuit" (which works well in Canada and
Greenland because all Eskimos there are Inuit Eskimos),
it just is *not* appropriate in Alaska or Siberia,
because Yupik people are Eskimos but they are not Inuit.
Oddly enough, the Inupiat people in Alaska generally do
not like to be called Inuit either, though they
technically are.
--
Floyd L. Davidson <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson >
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd@apaflo.com
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Date: 15 May 2007 03:43:30
From: Floyd L. Davidson
Subject: Re: Would Jesus have owned a motorboat?
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Two meter troll <eawisner@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>na Floyed i managed to spend most of my life up there and didnt meet a
>single Eskimo.
I have no idea where "up there" is to you, or what ages or how long
"most" of your life would be.
> I am well aware of the plural. I am also well aware that it depends
>on the what each real person feels is acceptable. you can refer to
>the entire ethinic grouping as what ever you want you live there;
>personally i was a guest and learned to mind my manners.
Indeed I do live here (and have for decades). My children are all
Eskimos. So are my grandchildren. Yup'ik though, not Inupiat.
>while we are at it; is the ice still to thick to whale if not the hunt
>should have begun hows it going?
The ice is now too thin to hunt. (It is never too thick.) They
hunt in the open leads, but the ice has to be strong enough to
pull a 60,000 pound whale out on in order to butcher it.
The spring whaling season is over, though the boats have not yet
been brought in off the ice.
I'm not sure how many were taken, but it was something like 10
or 12 of the 22 allocated. Come fall, when the bowhead whales
migrate back to the Bering Sea, they'll get the rest of the
quota. But fall hunts are not as much fun as the spring hunt.
Everyone gets to camp out on the ice and work in huge teams as a
community, so they love it. In the fall three guys in a power
boat go shoot a whale and tow it home. It does take a community
effort to cut it up, but that lasts for only 4-5 hours. (It's a
lot easier to take pictures of though!)
>has the tundra flowerd and do you have pics?
We are still full blown winter here, for maybe 3-4 more weeks.
The current temperature is -17C (1F) and the high today was -8C
(18F). Even at that temperature though, at midday the direct
sunshine warmed the roads up enough to melt snow and make mud
puddles and pot holes! Summer's coming...
Hmmm... I don't think I have any flower pictures on my web
page. Maybe that should be another project for this summer. My
main thing for this summer is to use a microscope to look at
little things in the water around here (both on the tundra and
in the ocean). Should make for some interesting photography.
--
Floyd L. Davidson <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson >
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd@apaflo.com
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Date: 14 May 2007 22:52:19
From: Floyd L. Davidson
Subject: Re: Would Jesus have owned a motorboat?
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Two meter troll <eawisner@gmail.com > wrote:
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>go north young men go north.
>and stop insuting people.
>
>you have inupiats, inuets, athbaskins, aliute, Etc. you dont have
>eskimos.
There are no "inupiats" or "inuets". You meant to say Inupiat
and Inuit, both of which are plural.
Regardless, they are Eskimos. So are the Yupik (which is also plural),
who are distinctly not Inuit.
>the north people works to but most folks i've met in the arctic dont
>like being called eskimo, kinda like the british dont like being
Have you actually met any at all?
>called limeys. course then there are us squaire heads and we just dont
>like to be called.
>
>aint rocks a bitch tho.
--
Floyd L. Davidson <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson >
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd@apaflo.com
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Date: 14 May 2007 22:48:33
From: Floyd L. Davidson
Subject: Re: Would Jesus have owned a motorboat?
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"ontheroad" <stop@stop.com > wrote:
>
>You're looking at it with the convenience of a modern paddler who has no
>"needs" of survival associated with thier boat.
>If they were available, I doubt that the "eskimos" wouldn't have used
>kevlar, aluminum, motors, afterall, their lives depended on them.
>Do you really believe that that "Eskimo" would paddle around in a skin craft
>if something stronger, faster in need of less
>time for upkeep was available?
Careful. Like everyone, today's Eskimos have access to every
bit of modern technology that is available to anyone anywhere on
earth, but they have not entirely abandoned the skin boat.
While it is true that nobody builds or uses a kayak today for
hunting birds or seals as was done 50-60 years ago, the skin
covered umiaq is very much alive for whale hunting.
See http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson/umiaqs for a look.
It may well be a old technology, but it also just happens to be the
*best* technology. There are small things you'd never guess at
making differences... like the use of caribou sinew to tie the
skin covering to the wood frame. They've tried a lot of modern
replacements, and none of them are as good.
--
Floyd L. Davidson <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson >
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd@apaflo.com
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Date: 15 May 2007 09:45:16
From: Bill Tuthill
Subject: Re: Would Jesus have owned a motorboat?
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Floyd L. Davidson <floyd@apaflo.com > wrote:
>
> Careful. Like everyone, today's Eskimos have access to every
> bit of modern technology that is available to anyone anywhere on
> earth, but they have not entirely abandoned the skin boat.
> While it is true that nobody builds or uses a kayak today for
> hunting birds or seals as was done 50-60 years ago, the skin
> covered umiaq is very much alive for whale hunting.
> See http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson/umiaqs for a look.
>
> It may well be a old technology, but it also just happens to be the
> *best* technology. There are small things you'd never guess at
> making differences... like the use of caribou sinew to tie the
> skin covering to the wood frame. They've tried a lot of modern
> replacements, and none of them are as good.
Why? Seriously, I would like to know in what ways these skin boats
tied with caribou sinew are better. I'm sure nylon thread is more
quickly degraded by UV than caribou sinew, but how much UV radiation
can there be at that latitude? However I would think fiberglass
would last longer than skin.
On your website, the umiaqs look bigger than I thought they would be.
I thought this would be a throw-away thread, but your post was interesting!
Thanks.
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Date: 15 May 2007 08:20:58
From: ontheroad
Subject: Re: Would Jesus have owned a motorboat?
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"Floyd L. Davidson" <floyd@apaflo.com > wrote in message
news:87tzue7fb2.fld@barrow.com...
> "ontheroad" <stop@stop.com> wrote:
>>
>>You're looking at it with the convenience of a modern paddler who has no
>>"needs" of survival associated with thier boat.
>>If they were available, I doubt that the "eskimos" wouldn't have used
>>kevlar, aluminum, motors, afterall, their lives depended on them.
>>Do you really believe that that "Eskimo" would paddle around in a skin
>>craft
>>if something stronger, faster in need of less
>>time for upkeep was available?
>
> Careful. Like everyone, today's Eskimos have access to every
> bit of modern technology that is available to anyone anywhere on
> earth, but they have not entirely abandoned the skin boat.
> While it is true that nobody builds or uses a kayak today for
> hunting birds or seals as was done 50-60 years ago, the skin
> covered umiaq is very much alive for whale hunting.
>
> See http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson/umiaqs for a look.
>
> It may well be a old technology, but it also just happens to be the
> *best* technology. There are small things you'd never guess at
> making differences... like the use of caribou sinew to tie the
> skin covering to the wood frame. They've tried a lot of modern
> replacements, and none of them are as good.
>
> --
> Floyd L. Davidson <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson>
> Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd@apaflo.com
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Date: 14 May 2007 14:12:20
From: Bill Tuthill
Subject: Re: Would Jesus have owned a motorboat?
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donquijote1954 <nolionnoproblem@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Judging by the down-to-earth way he went around preaching, Jesus would
> have paddled a kayak or canoe in order to meet the ordinary people.
> Of course, he didn't preach to the Eskimos, which is why there's no
> stories of him aboard a paddle boat.
Jesus Ramirez, the Mexican guy who lives across the street?
No, he would not own a motorboat because fuel costs are way too high.
Jesus is a good guy; he seldom gets preachy.
Speaking of which, there's a great new wave pool in Mexico City!
http://www.bestday.com/Mexico/
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