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Date: 29 Oct 2004 17:29:10
From: W. Watson
Subject: Seasickness and Chilli
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I've been reading the book Wildlife Wars by Terry Grosz. In one story, he mentions
that he easily becomes seasick, and someone recommended eating a strong dose of 'hot'
chilli before going on the water. It actually worked up to a point. It did a very
good job of preventing seasickness, but, unfortunately, the chilli was contanimated
with salmonella and he paid the price with a bad case of diaherra later. The cook and
restaurant also paid a price later when he returned. Anyway, he never revealed if he
tried again and if it was truly successful. Anyone know?
--
Wayne T. Watson (Watson Adventures, Prop., Nevada City, CA)
(121.015 Deg. W, 39.262 Deg. N) GMT-8 hr std. time)
Obz Site: 39° 15' 7" N, 121° 2' 32" W, 2700 feet
(Formerly Homo habilis, erectus, heidelbergensis and now sapiens)
Never keep up with the Jones's. Drag them down to your level.
It's cheaper. -- Greetings card.
Web Page: <home.earthlink.net/~mtnviews >
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Date: 01 Nov 2004 12:01:45
From: Oci-One Kanubi
Subject: Re: Seasickness and Chilli
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"W. Watson" <wolf_tracks@invalid.inv > wondered:
> I've been reading the book Wildlife Wars by Terry Grosz. In one story, he mentions
> that he easily becomes seasick, and someone recommended eating a strong dose of 'hot'
> chilli before going on the water. It actually worked up to a point. It did a very
> good job of preventing seasickness, but, unfortunately, the chilli was contanimated
> with salmonella and he paid the price with a bad case of diaherra later. The cook and
> restaurant also paid a price later when he returned. Anyway, he never revealed if he
> tried again and if it was truly successful. Anyone know?
Several replies have adduced the gastrointestinal medicinal effects of
capsaicin, and thus judged that there is probably something to be said
for the ingestion of chili as a seasickness preventive.
I imagine it is hogwash. Seasickness is a system malfunction that
results from internal sensory conflict; yer eyes telling you one thing
while yer inner-ear balance center is telling you something else. Why
it manifests as sweating and nausea I don't know, but the symptoms are
generated by such a completely different mechanism than that of other
forms of gastro distress that I'd have a hard time believing that they
could be cured by putting something in yer stomach.
-Richard, His Kanubic Travesty
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rhopley[at]earthlink[dot]net
Nothing really matters except Boats, Sex, and Rock'n'Roll
rhopley[at]wfubmc[dot]edu
OK, OK; computer programming for scientific research also matters
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Date: 02 Nov 2004 14:28:18
From: riverman
Subject: Re: Seasickness and Chilli
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"Oci-One Kanubi" <rhopley@earthlink.net > wrote in message
news:5ef7701c.0411011201.139fad63@posting.google.com...
> I imagine it is hogwash. Seasickness is a system malfunction that
> results from internal sensory conflict; yer eyes telling you one thing
> while yer inner-ear balance center is telling you something else. Why
> it manifests as sweating and nausea I don't know, but the symptoms are
> generated by such a completely different mechanism than that of other
> forms of gastro distress that I'd have a hard time believing that they
> could be cured by putting something in yer stomach.
>
I believe the sweating and nausea are symptoms of shock, but I don't know
the mechanism that brings them on. That being said, though, implies that
there are lots of little mechanisms in place and who knows how yer stomache
and yer brain are connected. I could imagine that the bloodflow to yer
stomache might somehow change the bloodflow in yer brain (I like these
'yer's, btw), or maybe something is absorbed into yer blood (like capisin)
then transmitted to yer brain. Maybe having some gawdawful burning sensation
in yer gut 'distracts' yer brain. Hell, if you take all those psychomeds
(and recreational versions) into account, how can you DENY that you can
affect yer brain by putting something into yer stomache!
--riverman
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Date: 03 Nov 2004 17:38:12
From: W. Watson
Subject: Re: Seasickness and Chilli
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A few messages ago, this thread got off onto spelling chili. I just recalled the
following quote.
"I don't give a damn for a man that can only spell a word one way." -- Mark Twain
--
Wayne T. Watson (Watson Adventures, Prop., Nevada City, CA)
(121.015 Deg. W, 39.262 Deg. N) GMT-8 hr std. time)
Obz Site: 39° 15' 7" N, 121° 2' 32" W, 2700 feet
(Formerly Homo habilis, erectus, heidelbergensis and now sapiens)
Never keep up with the Jones's. Drag them down to your level.
It's cheaper. -- Greetings card.
Web Page: <home.earthlink.net/~mtnviews >
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Date: 03 Nov 2004 18:14:29
From: Michael Daly
Subject: Re: Seasickness and Chilli
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On 3-Nov-2004, "W. Watson" <wolf_tracks@invalid.inv > wrote:
> "I don't give a damn for a man that can only spell a word one way." -- Mark Twain
It was Jefferson - by Twain's time, spelling was standardized.
"it is an unfortunate man who can think of only one way to spell a word "
Mike
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Date: 03 Nov 2004 19:34:28
From: riverman
Subject: Re: Seasickness and Chilli
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"Michael Daly" <michaelDaly@foo.bar > wrote in message
news:krmdnb9ApLOWvRTcRVn-oQ@magma.ca...
> On 3-Nov-2004, "W. Watson" <wolf_tracks@invalid.inv> wrote:
>
>> "I don't give a damn for a man that can only spell a word one way." --
>> Mark Twain
>
> It was Jefferson - by Twain's time, spelling was standardized.
>
> "it is an unfortunate man who can think of only one way to spell a word "
>
"I don't give a damn for an unfortunate man who can think of only one way to
attribute a quote."
--riverman
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Date: 04 Nov 2004 02:30:01
From: Michael Daly
Subject: Re: Seasickness and Chilli
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On 3-Nov-2004, "riverman" <nospam@sorry.com > wrote:
> "I don't give a damn for an unfortunate man who can think of only one way to
> attribute a quote."
Yogi Berra, right? I mean... everything else is attributed to him!
<ike
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Date: 03 Nov 2004 06:46:56
From: Oci-One Kanubi
Subject: Re: Seasickness and Chilli
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"riverman" <nospam@sorry.com > wrote in message news:<2uph35F2d0iraU1@uni-berlin.de>...
> "Oci-One Kanubi" <rhopley@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:5ef7701c.0411011201.139fad63@posting.google.com...
>
> > I imagine it is hogwash. Seasickness is a system malfunction that
> > results from internal sensory conflict; yer eyes telling you one thing
> > while yer inner-ear balance center is telling you something else. Why
> > it manifests as sweating and nausea I don't know, but the symptoms are
> > generated by such a completely different mechanism than that of other
> > forms of gastro distress that I'd have a hard time believing that they
> > could be cured by putting something in yer stomach.
> >
>
> I believe the sweating and nausea are symptoms of shock, but I don't know
> the mechanism that brings them on. That being said, though, implies that
> there are lots of little mechanisms in place and who knows how yer stomache
> and yer brain are connected. I could imagine that the bloodflow to yer
> stomache might somehow change the bloodflow in yer brain (I like these
> 'yer's, btw), or maybe something is absorbed into yer blood (like capisin)
> then transmitted to yer brain. Maybe having some gawdawful burning sensation
> in yer gut 'distracts' yer brain. Hell, if you take all those psychomeds
> (and recreational versions) into account, how can you DENY that you can
> affect yer brain by putting something into yer stomache!
Myron, ol' blood, I wooden deny for a moment that putting
mind-altering substances into yer body (by way of yer mouth and
stomach) will alter yer mind.
I am making the assumptions that (1) most gastro problems are the
result either of an acid imbalance or of some kinda critter breeding
in the gut, and (2) alkaline tablets can deal with the acid imbalance,
and, perhaps, capsaicin can deal with the viri or amoebae, but that
(3) seasickness involves a third mechanism altogether, a psychosomatic
mechanism.
I cannot see any real reason to assume that a treatment that attacks
one of the three mechanisms should necessarily attack another. I
mean, s'pose capsaicin works by killing amoebae or viri. Not
unreasonable? OK, but there ARE NO such amoebae or viri (other than
the normal denizens of that dark and disgusting place) in a
motion-sick stomach if the sickness is purely psychosomatic, so how
can capsaicin kill them and sove yer problem?
As a test, next time you are knee-crawlin' and pot-huggin' due to some
tainted food, stick on a Dramamine patch. Proven to reduce
sea-sickness symptoms, I'll bet you a shiny new Sacajawea yankee
dollar that it won't do a thing for acid imbalance or ralphincritters.
In fact, I'll bet Dramamine works exactly because it IS one of those
psychomeds (I'm not so certain about thise one, so this time the bet
is only a shiny 2000 Maryland US quarter[I reserve the right to
substitute a Massachusetts quarter if I have to]).
-Richard, His Kanubic Travesty
--
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Richard Hopley Winston-Salem, NC, USA
rhopley[at]earthlink[dot]net
Nothing really matters except Boats, Sex, and Rock'n'Roll
rhopley[at]wfubmc[dot]edu
OK, OK; computer programming for scientific research also matters
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Date: 03 Nov 2004 16:10:17
From: riverman
Subject: Re: Seasickness and Chilli
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"Oci-One Kanubi" <rhopley@earthlink.net > wrote in message
news:5ef7701c.0411030646.1c35aed0@posting.google.com...
> "riverman" <nospam@sorry.com> wrote in message
> news:<2uph35F2d0iraU1@uni-berlin.de>...
>>
>> I believe the sweating and nausea are symptoms of shock, but I don't know
>> the mechanism that brings them on. That being said, though, implies that
>> there are lots of little mechanisms in place and who knows how yer
>> stomache
>> and yer brain are connected. I could imagine that the bloodflow to yer
>> stomache might somehow change the bloodflow in yer brain (I like these
>> 'yer's, btw), or maybe something is absorbed into yer blood (like
>> capisin)
>> then transmitted to yer brain. Maybe having some gawdawful burning
>> sensation
>> in yer gut 'distracts' yer brain. Hell, if you take all those psychomeds
>> (and recreational versions) into account, how can you DENY that you can
>> affect yer brain by putting something into yer stomache!
>
>
> Myron, ol' blood, I wooden deny for a moment that putting
> mind-altering substances into yer body (by way of yer mouth and
> stomach) will alter yer mind.
>
> I am making the assumptions that (1) most gastro problems are the
> result either of an acid imbalance or of some kinda critter breeding
> in the gut, and (2) alkaline tablets can deal with the acid imbalance,
> and, perhaps, capsaicin can deal with the viri or amoebae, but that
> (3) seasickness involves a third mechanism altogether, a psychosomatic
> mechanism.
>
> I cannot see any real reason to assume that a treatment that attacks
> one of the three mechanisms should necessarily attack another. I
> mean, s'pose capsaicin works by killing amoebae or viri. Not
> unreasonable? OK, but there ARE NO such amoebae or viri (other than
> the normal denizens of that dark and disgusting place) in a
> motion-sick stomach if the sickness is purely psychosomatic, so how
> can capsaicin kill them and sove yer problem?
>
> As a test, next time you are knee-crawlin' and pot-huggin' due to some
> tainted food, stick on a Dramamine patch. Proven to reduce
> sea-sickness symptoms, I'll bet you a shiny new Sacajawea yankee
> dollar that it won't do a thing for acid imbalance or ralphincritters.
> In fact, I'll bet Dramamine works exactly because it IS one of those
> psychomeds (I'm not so certain about thise one, so this time the bet
> is only a shiny 2000 Maryland US quarter[I reserve the right to
> substitute a Massachusetts quarter if I have to]).
>
>
Richard, ol' paddlemeister to the stars. You have (quite likely unknowingly)
proposed a strawman argument here, which I will underscore for you, herein
and forthwith.
You state, *and I agree*, that seasickness is NOT a typical gastro problem.
Not an acid imbalance, not a critter in yer bowels, but IS a psychosomatic
mechanism. Specifically, it seems to be caused by some sort of mixed signal
between yer semicircular canals and yer eyeballs, which then tells your
stomache to come out your nostrils. However, *and I still agree with you
here*: the abdominal symptoms and the resulting spectacle is not the
illness. The head thing is. The chumming is merely the symptom.
Furthermore, we agree that treating the <abdominal symptoms > is not what
will cure the seasickness. Yet, you propose that I am offering up that
capsaicin will cure seasickness by attacking some stomache critter or acid
imbalance. I ham saying no such thang. I'm saying that perhaps capsaicin
gets into yer BRAIN via the Blood Stream (class 4+) and does something about
the psychosomatic source of your symptoms. Or that the the blood going to
yer stomache somehow robs yer brain of blood and 'distracts' it, or even the
pain of the chili eating a hole in yer gut 'distracts' yer brain. I said:
>>I could imagine that the bloodflow to yer
>> stomache might somehow change the bloodflow in yer brain... or maybe
>> something is absorbed into yer blood (like capisin)
>> then transmitted to yer brain. Maybe having some gawdawful burning
>> sensation
>> in yer gut 'distracts' yer brain.
I am clearly stating that I realize that the source of seasickness is in yer
haid, and that possibly something in chili gets into your bloodstream, makes
its way into your haid, and cures what ails ya.
Hell, maybe THAT'S why our brain makes us puke when we are seasick...sort of
like hitting 'reset' by overwhelming us and distracting the clash of
eyeball-semicircular canal signals. I dunno, but I didn't say what you said
I said, you see?
<roll eyes >
--riverman
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Date: 04 Nov 2004 06:39:42
From: Oci-One Kanubi
Subject: Re: Seasickness and Chilli
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"riverman" <nospam@sorry.com > wrote in message news:<2usamvF2dbe8kU1@uni-berlin.de>...
> "Oci-One Kanubi" <rhopley@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:5ef7701c.0411030646.1c35aed0@posting.google.com...
> > "riverman" <nospam@sorry.com> wrote in message
> > news:<2uph35F2d0iraU1@uni-berlin.de>...
> >>
> >> I believe the sweating and nausea are symptoms of shock, but I don't know
> >> the mechanism that brings them on. That being said, though, implies that
> >> there are lots of little mechanisms in place and who knows how yer
> >> stomache
> >> and yer brain are connected. I could imagine that the bloodflow to yer
> >> stomache might somehow change the bloodflow in yer brain (I like these
> >> 'yer's, btw), or maybe something is absorbed into yer blood (like
> >> capisin)
> >> then transmitted to yer brain. Maybe having some gawdawful burning
> >> sensation
> >> in yer gut 'distracts' yer brain. Hell, if you take all those psychomeds
> >> (and recreational versions) into account, how can you DENY that you can
> >> affect yer brain by putting something into yer stomache!
> >
> >
> > Myron, ol' blood, I wooden deny for a moment that putting
> > mind-altering substances into yer body (by way of yer mouth and
> > stomach) will alter yer mind.
> >
> > I am making the assumptions that (1) most gastro problems are the
> > result either of an acid imbalance or of some kinda critter breeding
> > in the gut, and (2) alkaline tablets can deal with the acid imbalance,
> > and, perhaps, capsaicin can deal with the viri or amoebae, but that
> > (3) seasickness involves a third mechanism altogether, a psychosomatic
> > mechanism.
> >
> > I cannot see any real reason to assume that a treatment that attacks
> > one of the three mechanisms should necessarily attack another. I
> > mean, s'pose capsaicin works by killing amoebae or viri. Not
> > unreasonable? OK, but there ARE NO such amoebae or viri (other than
> > the normal denizens of that dark and disgusting place) in a
> > motion-sick stomach if the sickness is purely psychosomatic, so how
> > can capsaicin kill them and sove yer problem?
> >
> > As a test, next time you are knee-crawlin' and pot-huggin' due to some
> > tainted food, stick on a Dramamine patch. Proven to reduce
> > sea-sickness symptoms, I'll bet you a shiny new Sacajawea yankee
> > dollar that it won't do a thing for acid imbalance or ralphincritters.
> > In fact, I'll bet Dramamine works exactly because it IS one of those
> > psychomeds (I'm not so certain about thise one, so this time the bet
> > is only a shiny 2000 Maryland US quarter[I reserve the right to
> > substitute a Massachusetts quarter if I have to]).
> >
> >
>
> Richard, ol' paddlemeister to the stars. You have (quite likely unknowingly)
> proposed a strawman argument here, which I will underscore for you, herein
> and forthwith.
>
> You state, *and I agree*, that seasickness is NOT a typical gastro problem.
> Not an acid imbalance, not a critter in yer bowels, but IS a psychosomatic
> mechanism. Specifically, it seems to be caused by some sort of mixed signal
> between yer semicircular canals and yer eyeballs, which then tells your
> stomache to come out your nostrils. However, *and I still agree with you
> here*: the abdominal symptoms and the resulting spectacle is not the
> illness. The head thing is. The chumming is merely the symptom.
>
> Furthermore, we agree that treating the <abdominal symptoms> is not what
> will cure the seasickness. Yet, you propose that I am offering up that
> capsaicin will cure seasickness by attacking some stomache critter or acid
> imbalance. I ham saying no such thang. I'm saying that perhaps capsaicin
> gets into yer BRAIN via the Blood Stream (class 4+) and does something about
> the psychosomatic source of your symptoms. Or that the the blood going to
> yer stomache somehow robs yer brain of blood and 'distracts' it, or even the
> pain of the chili eating a hole in yer gut 'distracts' yer brain. I said:
>
> >>I could imagine that the bloodflow to yer
> >> stomache might somehow change the bloodflow in yer brain... or maybe
> >> something is absorbed into yer blood (like capisin)
> >> then transmitted to yer brain. Maybe having some gawdawful burning
> >> sensation
> >> in yer gut 'distracts' yer brain.
>
> I am clearly stating that I realize that the source of seasickness is in yer
> haid, and that possibly something in chili gets into your bloodstream, makes
> its way into your haid, and cures what ails ya.
>
> Hell, maybe THAT'S why our brain makes us puke when we are seasick...sort of
> like hitting 'reset' by overwhelming us and distracting the clash of
> eyeball-semicircular canal signals. I dunno, but I didn't say what you said
> I said, you see?
IC.
-R
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Date: 04 Nov 2004 15:49:52
From: riverman
Subject: Re: Seasickness and Chilli
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"Oci-One Kanubi" <rhopley@earthlink.net > wrote in message
news:5ef7701c.0411040639.46e3cf6c@posting.google.com...
>>
> IC.
LOL. ICUC2.
CU
--riverman
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Date: 01 Nov 2004 23:43:32
From: Michael Daly
Subject: Re: Seasickness and Chilli
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On 1-Nov-2004, rhopley@earthlink.net (Oci-One Kanubi) wrote:
> Several replies have adduced the gastrointestinal medicinal effects of
> capsaicin, and thus judged that there is probably something to be said
> for the ingestion of chili as a seasickness preventive.
Noting that it has medicinal effects and then assuming that it works for
seasickness is false logic.
> I imagine it is hogwash. Seasickness is a system malfunction that
> results from internal sensory conflict; yer eyes telling you one thing
> while yer inner-ear balance center is telling you something else. Why
> it manifests as sweating and nausea I don't know, but the symptoms are
> generated by such a completely different mechanism than that of other
> forms of gastro distress that I'd have a hard time believing that they
> could be cured by putting something in yer stomach.
While the prime problem with seasickness is due to the inner ear vs eye
thing, there are effects that having a moving stomach can exacerbate.
ISTR reading about the problem in astronauts where motion in micro-g
causes the contents of their stomachs to bounce around and exaggerate
nausea. But I may have hallucinated that (insert memory of Simpson's
episode where Homer consumes the most neurotoxic hot peppers ever
discovered).
I know from heavy weather sailing years ago that a solid breakfast beats
an empty stomach. Skipper used to mix a batch of tougher-than-concrete
oatmeal that would be served on rough weather days. While it offended
the epicure in me, I welcomed its effects once in the weather. My
suspicion is that a well-prepared bowl of chili will sit in the stomach
much like that oatmeal did. YMMV
Mike
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Date: 30 Oct 2004 01:59:22
From: Rich McCormack
Subject: Re: Seasickness and Chilli
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W. Watson wrote:
> I've been reading the book Wildlife Wars by Terry Grosz. In one story,
> he mentions that he easily becomes seasick, and someone recommended
> eating a strong dose of 'hot' chilli before going on the water. It
> actually worked up to a point. It did a very good job of preventing
> seasickness, but, unfortunately, the chilli was contanimated with
> salmonella and he paid the price with a bad case of diaherra later. The
> cook and restaurant also paid a price later when he returned. Anyway, he
> never revealed if he tried again and if it was truly successful. Anyone
> know?
I'd suggest a strong dose of hot CHILE -- as in whole, crushed or
ground dried chiles taken straight, sprinkled generously on food or
made into some sort of "chile tea" -- might prove benificial to avoid
seasickness. I'm not sure about CHILI, as in the spicy stew made with
chopped and/or ground meat and chiles. At least the dried chiles
should avoid the salmonella thing. Whatever works I guess...
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Date: 30 Oct 2004 12:09:15
From: Old Nick
Subject: Re: Seasickness and Chilli
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On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 01:59:22 GMT, Rich McCormack <macknet@pacbell.net >
vaguely proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:
remove ns from my header address to reply via email
chilli, chile, chili. all the same thing.
>I'd suggest a strong dose of hot CHILE -- as in whole, crushed or
>ground dried chiles taken straight, sprinkled generously on food or
>made into some sort of "chile tea" -- might prove benificial to avoid
>seasickness. I'm not sure about CHILI, as in the spicy stew made with
>chopped and/or ground meat and chiles. At least the dried chiles
>should avoid the salmonella thing. Whatever works I guess...
*****************************************************
Have you noticed that people always run from what
they _need_ toward what they want?????
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Date: 30 Oct 2004 14:20:35
From: Rich McCormack
Subject: Re: Seasickness and Chilli
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Old Nick wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 01:59:22 GMT, Rich McCormack <macknet@pacbell.net>
> vaguely proposed a theory
> ......and in reply I say!:
>
> remove ns from my header address to reply via email
>
> chilli, chile, chili. all the same thing.
Chilli and chili are spelling variations of the word for the spicy
meat stew. Chile is the spelling of the word for one of the
ingredients in chili. Frankly, I don't care which spelling variations
one uses when describing the stew or it's ingredients...unless it
might cause confusion. In the original post, it was mentioned...
> someone recommended eating a strong dose of 'hot' chilli before going on the water
as a seasickness preventative. I speculated that the recommendation
might have meant a strong dose of chile, the ingredient, rather than
chilli, the stew. Made more sense to me, since chile (again, the
ingredient) has medicinal properties, the relief of gastrointestinal
problems being one of them.
I really mean it when I say I don't care how one spells the word for
the stew or the ingredient. When I make my version of the spicy meat
stew called chili, chilli, or whatever, I call it My Chile...
http://home.pacbell.net/macknet/mychile.html
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Date: 30 Oct 2004 19:58:47
From: W. Watson
Subject: Re: Seasickness and Chilli
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Rich McCormack wrote:
>
> Old Nick wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 01:59:22 GMT, Rich McCormack <macknet@pacbell.net>
>> vaguely proposed a theory ......and in reply I say!:
>> remove ns from my header address to reply via email
>>
>> chilli, chile, chili. all the same thing.
>
>
> Chilli and chili are spelling variations of the word for the spicy
> meat stew. Chile is the spelling of the word for one of the
> ingredients in chili. Frankly, I don't care which spelling variations
> one uses when describing the stew or it's ingredients...unless it
> might cause confusion. In the original post, it was mentioned...
>
>> someone recommended eating a strong dose of 'hot' chilli before going
>> on the water
>
>
> as a seasickness preventative. I speculated that the recommendation
> might have meant a strong dose of chile, the ingredient, rather than
> chilli, the stew. Made more sense to me, since chile (again, the
> ingredient) has medicinal properties, the relief of gastrointestinal
> problems being one of them.
>
> I really mean it when I say I don't care how one spells the word for
> the stew or the ingredient. When I make my version of the spicy meat
> stew called chili, chilli, or whatever, I call it My Chile...
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/macknet/mychile.html
>
The author uses the word chili. The man who recommends the 'cure' talks about huge
pots of chili that were used to feed soldiers on his LST (WWII landing craft). The
author mentions he ordered a "a big bowl of chili" at the restaurant. He also orders
some hot sauce to go with it. The chili included beans, and "it was full of the best
darned meat". BTW, the author was 6' 4" and 320 pounds in his early 20s, which is the
time of the incident.
--
Wayne T. Watson (Watson Adventures, Prop., Nevada City, CA)
(121.015 Deg. W, 39.262 Deg. N) GMT-8 hr std. time)
Obz Site: 39° 15' 7" N, 121° 2' 32" W, 2700 feet
(Formerly Homo habilis, erectus, heidelbergensis and now sapiens)
Never keep up with the Jones's. Drag them down to your level.
It's cheaper. -- Greetings card.
Web Page: <home.earthlink.net/~mtnviews >
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Date: 31 Oct 2004 13:50:02
From: riverman
Subject: Re: Seasickness and Chilli
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"W. Watson" <wolf_tracks@invalid.inv > wrote in message
news:XnSgd.7114$kM.4306@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> Rich McCormack wrote:
>
>>
>> Old Nick wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 01:59:22 GMT, Rich McCormack <macknet@pacbell.net>
>>> vaguely proposed a theory ......and in reply I say!:
>>> remove ns from my header address to reply via email
>>>
>>> chilli, chile, chili. all the same thing.
>>
>>
>> Chilli and chili are spelling variations of the word for the spicy
>> meat stew. Chile is the spelling of the word for one of the
>> ingredients in chili. Frankly, I don't care which spelling variations
>> one uses when describing the stew or it's ingredients...unless it
>> might cause confusion. In the original post, it was mentioned...
>>
>>> someone recommended eating a strong dose of 'hot' chilli before going on
>>> the water
>>
>>
>> as a seasickness preventative. I speculated that the recommendation
>> might have meant a strong dose of chile, the ingredient, rather than
>> chilli, the stew. Made more sense to me, since chile (again, the
>> ingredient) has medicinal properties, the relief of gastrointestinal
>> problems being one of them.
>>
>> I really mean it when I say I don't care how one spells the word for
>> the stew or the ingredient. When I make my version of the spicy meat
>> stew called chili, chilli, or whatever, I call it My Chile...
>>
>> http://home.pacbell.net/macknet/mychile.html
>>
> The author uses the word chili. The man who recommends the 'cure' talks
> about huge pots of chili that were used to feed soldiers on his LST (WWII
> landing craft). The author mentions he ordered a "a big bowl of chili" at
> the restaurant. He also orders some hot sauce to go with it. The chili
> included beans, and "it was full of the best darned meat". BTW, the author
> was 6' 4" and 320 pounds in his early 20s, which is the time of the
> incident.
>
Hmmm, strange. We can assume that the author is, indeed, referring to the
meat stew "Chili" (or chilli, whatever) rather than just a mouth-searing
dose of hot chiles. I could not imagine that a belly full of greasy meat,
beans, tomato sauce and sundry other things would actually dissuade
seasickness. On the other hand, I know from experience that a flaming bowl
of hot hot chili does wonders for a hangover...
I suppose the combined medicinal effects of the chiles and the garlic might
play a role. Its a pretty western thing to try and distill out what the
medicinal ingredient is and just dose up on that. Presonally, I think eating
a bowl of chili beforehand might be more fun than forcing down a mouthful of
chiles and garlic between heaves. If it <didn't > work, it would provide a
much better visual.
Food for thought....
--riverman
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Date: 31 Oct 2004 14:24:52
From: W. Watson
Subject: Re: Seasickness and Chilli
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riverman wrote:
> "W. Watson" <wolf_tracks@invalid.inv> wrote in message
> news:XnSgd.7114$kM.4306@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
>>Rich McCormack wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Old Nick wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 01:59:22 GMT, Rich McCormack <macknet@pacbell.net>
>>>>vaguely proposed a theory ......and in reply I say!:
>>>> remove ns from my header address to reply via email
>>>>
>>>>chilli, chile, chili. all the same thing.
>>>
>>>
>>>Chilli and chili are spelling variations of the word for the spicy
>>>meat stew. Chile is the spelling of the word for one of the
>>>ingredients in chili. Frankly, I don't care which spelling variations
>>>one uses when describing the stew or it's ingredients...unless it
>>>might cause confusion. In the original post, it was mentioned...
>>>
>>>
>>>>someone recommended eating a strong dose of 'hot' chilli before going on
>>>>the water
>>>
>>>
>>>as a seasickness preventative. I speculated that the recommendation
>>>might have meant a strong dose of chile, the ingredient, rather than
>>>chilli, the stew. Made more sense to me, since chile (again, the
>>>ingredient) has medicinal properties, the relief of gastrointestinal
>>>problems being one of them.
>>>
>>>I really mean it when I say I don't care how one spells the word for
>>>the stew or the ingredient. When I make my version of the spicy meat
>>>stew called chili, chilli, or whatever, I call it My Chile...
>>>
>>> http://home.pacbell.net/macknet/mychile.html
>>>
>>
>>The author uses the word chili. The man who recommends the 'cure' talks
>>about huge pots of chili that were used to feed soldiers on his LST (WWII
>>landing craft). The author mentions he ordered a "a big bowl of chili" at
>>the restaurant. He also orders some hot sauce to go with it. The chili
>>included beans, and "it was full of the best darned meat". BTW, the author
>>was 6' 4" and 320 pounds in his early 20s, which is the time of the
>>incident.
>>
>
>
> Hmmm, strange. We can assume that the author is, indeed, referring to the
> meat stew "Chili" (or chilli, whatever) rather than just a mouth-searing
> dose of hot chiles. I could not imagine that a belly full of greasy meat,
> beans, tomato sauce and sundry other things would actually dissuade
> seasickness. On the other hand, I know from experience that a flaming bowl
> of hot hot chili does wonders for a hangover...
>
> I suppose the combined medicinal effects of the chiles and the garlic might
> play a role. Its a pretty western thing to try and distill out what the
> medicinal ingredient is and just dose up on that. Presonally, I think eating
> a bowl of chili beforehand might be more fun than forcing down a mouthful of
> chiles and garlic between heaves. If it <didn't> work, it would provide a
> much better visual.
>
> Food for thought....
>
> --riverman
>
>
I vaguely recall some years ago, a book devoted to the hottest form of the substance
that makes peppers hot. The author had a numeric scale to rate the hotness and in
what foods the substance was found it. One was incredibly far ahead of the others.
--
Wayne T. Watson (Watson Adventures, Prop., Nevada City, CA)
(121.015 Deg. W, 39.262 Deg. N) GMT-8 hr std. time)
Obz Site: 39° 15' 7" N, 121° 2' 32" W, 2700 feet
(Formerly Homo habilis, erectus, heidelbergensis and now sapiens)
Never keep up with the Jones's. Drag them down to your level.
It's cheaper. -- Greetings card.
Web Page: <home.earthlink.net/~mtnviews >
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Date: 31 Oct 2004 18:47:20
From: Rich McCormack
Subject: Re: Seasickness and Chilli
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W. Watson wrote:
> I vaguely recall some years ago, a book devoted to the hottest form of
> the substance that makes peppers hot. The author had a numeric scale to
> rate the hotness and in what foods the substance was found it. One was
> incredibly far ahead of the others.
>
Capsaicin is the substance. Wilbur Scoville is the inventor of the
scale. At 350,000 to 570,000 Scoville Units, the Red Savina Habanero
is considered the hottest chile (for comparison: jalapenos range from
2,500 to 5,000, cayenne from 30,000 to 50,000 and Scotch Bonnet from
150,000 to 325,000). There have been reports, none verified as yet
that I know of, of even hotter chiles being grown and used in Asia.
FWIW -- pure capsaicin is rated at 16,000,000 Scoville units.
Capsaicin creams are available for treating arthritis and rheumatism.
Ground cayenne is available in capsule form for various medicinal
uses, including gastrointestinal problems. Don't know whether it
would work for preventing seasickness, but at least one wouldn't
have a belly full of greasy meat before heading out to sea. :-)
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Date: 01 Nov 2004 12:46:03
From: riverman
Subject: Re: Seasickness and Chilli
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"Rich McCormack" <macknet@pacbell.net > wrote in message
news:Yqahd.2981$zx1.1295@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>
> W. Watson wrote:
>
>> I vaguely recall some years ago, a book devoted to the hottest form of
>> the substance that makes peppers hot. The author had a numeric scale to
>> rate the hotness and in what foods the substance was found it. One was
>> incredibly far ahead of the others.
>>
>
> Capsaicin is the substance. Wilbur Scoville is the inventor of the
> scale. At 350,000 to 570,000 Scoville Units, the Red Savina Habanero
> is considered the hottest chile (for comparison: jalapenos range from
> 2,500 to 5,000, cayenne from 30,000 to 50,000 and Scotch Bonnet from
> 150,000 to 325,000). There have been reports, none verified as yet
> that I know of, of even hotter chiles being grown and used in Asia.
> FWIW -- pure capsaicin is rated at 16,000,000 Scoville units.
I've had the hot habaneros in Mexico, and was duly impressed with their
heat. For example, a single one (about as big as a golf ball), if cut up and
put into a 5-gallon pail of beans, would make it so hot that only people
with a real affection for 'hot' foods would enjoy it and taste anything
except the burning. Most folks would find it as unpalatable as a spoonful of
tabasco.
Here in Congo they have a small red pepper called a pili-pili that they
slice up into tiny chunks, stir in some garlic and salt, and mix with a
pinch of palm oil. A single teaspoon of this sauce, if you could even get it
past your tongue, would probably put you in the hospital with stomach cramps
and possibly some sort of physical damage. Its very close to the habanero,
AFAICT.
--riverman
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