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Date: 28 May 2004 16:40:53
From: Eric
Subject: [Q] PFDs
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Someone I know is seeking a new PFD...
Their perfect PFD would look like:
18 lbs floatation
two large zippered pockets in the front
a lash/clip point on the front
a night light attachment point in the upper/back shoulder area
(preferrably in the middle)
reflective material on the upper front and rear and have a large
rear pocket big enough to hold a parachute flare (I know,
not legal in the US. I'll consider permanently attaching an
accessory pack by the same manufacturer)
US or Canadian certified.
equippable with a tow belt for sea kayaking.
But, have been unable to location one that fits this exact description.
Is anyone aware of one or one that might come close?
The PFDs they have been considering are:
Astral Tempo 300T
Serratus Poseidon
Extrasport retroglide sabre
Patagonia straitjacket
Anyone have any opinions?
They were specifically interested in the 300T's pocket system and fit.
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Date: 30 May 2004 23:00:06
From: John Caldeira
Subject: Re: [Q] PFDs
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Kokatat's MsFit TOUR is close to what you're looking for:
http://www.outdoorplace.org/images/DFW_MsFits.jpg
http://www.kokatat.com/pfd.htm
No rear pocket, but it has one inside. Tow hook you'd have to add
yourself.
John
egusenet@verizon.net (Eric) wrote:
>Someone I know is seeking a new PFD...
>
>Their perfect PFD would look like:
>
> 18 lbs floatation
> two large zippered pockets in the front
> a lash/clip point on the front
> a night light attachment point in the upper/back shoulder area
> (preferrably in the middle)
> reflective material on the upper front and rear and have a large
> rear pocket big enough to hold a parachute flare (I know,
> not legal in the US. I'll consider permanently attaching an
> accessory pack by the same manufacturer)
> US or Canadian certified.
> equippable with a tow belt for sea kayaking.
>
>But, have been unable to location one that fits this exact description.
>Is anyone aware of one or one that might come close?
John Caldeira
Dallas, Texas, USA
http://www.outdoorplace.org/
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Date: 31 May 2004 12:11:38
From: Brian Nystrom
Subject: Re: [Q] PFDs
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John Caldeira wrote:
> Kokatat's MsFit TOUR is close to what you're looking for:
>
> http://www.outdoorplace.org/images/DFW_MsFits.jpg
> http://www.kokatat.com/pfd.htm
>
> No rear pocket, but it has one inside. Tow hook you'd have to add
> yourself.
Yeah, I really like mine. However, if he really needs 18 lbs of
floatation (why?) it comes up a bit short.
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Date: 28 May 2004 23:23:54
From: Wilko
Subject: Re: [Q] PFDs
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How about this one, the "wild water explorer leader":
http://www.wild-water.co.uk/wwbaid.html
I have used one for several years now (still have a brand new one when
this one wears out), and really like it.
Eric wrote:
> Someone I know is seeking a new PFD...
>
> Their perfect PFD would look like:
>
> 18 lbs floatation
Check
> two large zippered pockets in the front
One zippered plus velcro'd, one only velcro'd.
> a lash/clip point on the front
Check
> a night light attachment point in the upper/back shoulder area
> (preferrably in the middle)
I'd stitch that on myself.
> reflective material on the upper front and rear and have a large
> rear pocket big enough to hold a parachute flare (I know,
> not legal in the US. I'll consider permanently attaching an
> accessory pack by the same manufacturer)
Big (throwbag size) velcro'd shut pocket on the back, with reachable
from the front loop going in the pocket.
The reflective stuff I'd simply sow on myself.
> US or Canadian certified.
CE certified, dunno about US or Canadian standards. :-(
> equippable with a tow belt for sea kayaking.
Check
> But, have been unable to location one that fits this exact description.
> Is anyone aware of one or one that might come close?
Dunno if this one is close enough for you, but since you didn't mention
this brand, I'd thought I'd mention it. they have a bunch of other
models of PFD as well.
HTH
Wilko
--
Wilko van den Bergh Wilko<a t)dse(d o t >nl
Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe
Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.
http://wilko.webzone.ru/
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Date: 29 May 2004 21:26:57
From:
Subject: Re: [Q] PFDs
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Thanks. Eric passed this on to me and I'll take a look.
On Fri, 28 May 2004 23:23:54 +0200, Wilko <look@in.my.sig > wrote:
>How about this one, the "wild water explorer leader":
>
>http://www.wild-water.co.uk/wwbaid.html
>
>I have used one for several years now (still have a brand new one when
>this one wears out), and really like it.
>
>
>Eric wrote:
>> Someone I know is seeking a new PFD...
>>
>> Their perfect PFD would look like:
>>
>> 18 lbs floatation
>
>Check
>
>> two large zippered pockets in the front
>
>One zippered plus velcro'd, one only velcro'd.
>
>> a lash/clip point on the front
>
>Check
>
>> a night light attachment point in the upper/back shoulder area
>> (preferrably in the middle)
>
>I'd stitch that on myself.
>
>> reflective material on the upper front and rear and have a large
>> rear pocket big enough to hold a parachute flare (I know,
>> not legal in the US. I'll consider permanently attaching an
>> accessory pack by the same manufacturer)
>
>Big (throwbag size) velcro'd shut pocket on the back, with reachable
>from the front loop going in the pocket.
>
>The reflective stuff I'd simply sow on myself.
>
>> US or Canadian certified.
>
>CE certified, dunno about US or Canadian standards. :-(
>
>> equippable with a tow belt for sea kayaking.
>
>Check
>
>> But, have been unable to location one that fits this exact description.
>> Is anyone aware of one or one that might come close?
>
>Dunno if this one is close enough for you, but since you didn't mention
>this brand, I'd thought I'd mention it. they have a bunch of other
>models of PFD as well.
>
>HTH
>
>Wilko
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Date: 28 May 2004 17:29:34
From: Eric
Subject: Re: [Q] PFDs
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Wilko <look@in.my.sig > wrote:
> How about this one, the "wild water explorer leader":
>
> http://www.wild-water.co.uk/wwbaid.html
>
> I have used one for several years now (still have a brand new one when
> this one wears out), and really like it.
Thanks, I'll pass it on.
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Date: 28 May 2004 21:15:32
From: Michael Daly
Subject: Re: [Q] PFDs
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On 28-May-2004, egusenet@verizon.net (Eric) wrote:
> Their perfect PFD would look like:
Oooh, look. Eric's trolling for the impossible again. Let's not
waste our time on this one, shall we.
Mike
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Date: 29 May 2004 05:29:29
From: Eric
Subject: Re: [Q] PFDs
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Michael Daly <michaelDaly@foo.bar > wrote:
> On 28-May-2004, egusenet@verizon.net (Eric) wrote:
>
> > Their perfect PFD would look like:
>
> Oooh, look. Eric's trolling for the impossible again. Let's not
> waste our time on this one, shall we.
If you'd like to see the original message posted by the person I've met,
you are welcome to check out:
<http://cpakayaker.com/mailman/private/members_cpakayaker.com/2004-May/0
02530.html >
I believe you would need to temporarily join the CPA mailing list.
I'm sure he would be happy to receive any replies directly, otherwise, I
am perfectly willing to forward any information you might have onto him.
--
== Eric Gorr ========= http://www.ericgorr.net ========= ICQ:9293199 ===
"Therefore the considerations of the intelligent always include both
benefit and harm." - Sun Tzu
== Insults, like violence, are the last refuge of the incompetent... ===
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Date: 29 May 2004 00:24:42
From: Brian Nystrom
Subject: Re: [Q] PFDs
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Michael Daly wrote:
> On 28-May-2004, egusenet@verizon.net (Eric) wrote:
>
>>Their perfect PFD would look like:
>
> Oooh, look. Eric's trolling for the impossible again. Let's not
> waste our time on this one, shall we.
Thanks for pointing that out; I should have figured it from the nature
of the question. I'm curious why he thinks it's illegal to carry a
parachute flare and why he would want to carry one on his back. That
sure would make layback rolls painful! Maybe he needs it for emergency
illumination when using his non-existent camera? ;-)
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Date: 29 May 2004 21:26:08
From:
Subject: Re: [Q] PFDs
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Actually, Eric was posting it for me. I had posed the question on our
local kayak club list, and hadn't thought about posting it here. Eric
was helping me out.
When I was doing longer open water crossings I liked to carry the
parachute flare. Based on the theory that if it's not on you, you
don't have it, I carried one in the back pocket of my Serratus, so
that I had it if seperated from the boat.
On Sat, 29 May 2004 00:24:42 GMT, Brian Nystrom
<brian.nystrom@att.net > wrote:
>Michael Daly wrote:
>
>> On 28-May-2004, egusenet@verizon.net (Eric) wrote:
>>
>>>Their perfect PFD would look like:
>>
>> Oooh, look. Eric's trolling for the impossible again. Let's not
>> waste our time on this one, shall we.
>
>Thanks for pointing that out; I should have figured it from the nature
>of the question. I'm curious why he thinks it's illegal to carry a
>parachute flare and why he would want to carry one on his back. That
>sure would make layback rolls painful! Maybe he needs it for emergency
>illumination when using his non-existent camera? ;-)
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