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Date: 17 Jun 2006 17:15:14
From: Garrison Hilliard
Subject: Kayakers stir up Midwest's waterways
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Kayakers stir up Midwest's waterways
BY JOE KAY
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Date: 19 Jun 2006 21:19:14
From: Oci-One Kanubi
Subject: Re: Some Paddling Data
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Keith wrote:
> Oci-One Kanubi <rhopley@earthlink.net> wrote:
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> > majority of American kayakers
> > are sea-kayakers or rec-boat paddlers who call themselves kayakers,
> > neither of which is much of a "risky-type sport".
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> I am puzzled why you think sea-kayaking isn't a 'risky-type sport' - it
> can include long open crossings, plenty of rough water, commiting coasts
> with no landing spots for long distances, etc, etc.
A-firmative. There are dangerous things one can do in a sea-kayak.
And there is some number of touring-kayakers out there who actually do
those things. But the huge majority just putter around lakes and
reservoirs, inlets and bays, the Intercoastal Waterway...
Whereas whitewater kayakers... oh, never mind; I don't feel like
arguing about KAYAKS, of all things; after all, kayaks are for girls.
Real men paddle canoes (hadn't you heard?)
-Richard, His Kanubic Travesty
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Date: 19 Jun 2006 07:32:12
From: Oci-One Kanubi
Subject: Re: Some Paddling Data
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More interesting numbers: the text says kayaking particularly appears
to 16 to 24 year-olds. But the source material which Garrison quotes
in a second message, says that ~31% are 16-24 and ~28% are 45 and +.
Statistically almost identical. Ditto the 25-34 and 35-44
demographics. 21% aand 20%. One more example of a reporter looking at
the numbers, then writing whatever the heck he believes.
The reporter also quotes a 21-year-old as saying "The younger
generation is looking for more risky-type sports, something to test
their limits more," yet the overwhelming majority of American kayakers
are sea-kayakers or rec-boat paddlers who call themselves kayakers,
neither of which is much of a "risky-type sport".
Somehow, no-one seems to have clued the reporter into the fact that
there are two very different types of kayaking, and so he has made no
effort to adjust his statistics and his quotations to fit the
appropriate kayaking regime.
-Richard, His Kanubic Travesty
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Richard Hopley Winston-Salem, NC, USA
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Wilko wrote:
> Garrison Hilliard wrote:
> > Growing popularity
> > The Outdoor Industry Foundation based its estimates from its 2005 survey on the
> > results of an annual telephone survey using scientific sampling. The foundation
> > interviewed 2,000 people over the age of 15 and gauged their participation in 22
> > outdoor activities.
> >
> > An estimated 12.6 million people got into a kayak at least once last year. About
> > 2 million of them kayak regularly.
> >
> > In 1998, about 4.2 million people had kayaked, and about 400,000 did it
> > regularly.
> >
> > Kayakers tend to be young. Roughly 31 percent are in the 16-to-24 age group.
> > About 20 percent are 25-to-34, 21 percent are 35-to-44, and 28 percent are 45 or
> > older.
> >
> > More women are kayaking these days. About 45 percent of the total were female, a
> > 5 percent increase from the foundation's 2004 survey.
>
> Interesting numbers, Gilliard. I just wonder what kind of kayaking those
> 45% of women participate in... Because I haven't seen that many yet. :-)
>
>
> --
> Wilko van den Bergh wilko<a t)dse(d o t>nl
> Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe
> ---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.---
> http://kayaker.nl/
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Date: 19 Jun 2006 19:35:34
From: Keith
Subject: Re: Some Paddling Data
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Oci-One Kanubi <rhopley@earthlink.net > wrote:
> majority of American kayakers
> are sea-kayakers or rec-boat paddlers who call themselves kayakers,
> neither of which is much of a "risky-type sport".
I am puzzled why you think sea-kayaking isn't a 'risky-type sport' - it
can include long open crossings, plenty of rough water, commiting coasts
with no landing spots for long distances, etc, etc.
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Date: 19 Jun 2006 09:38:55
From: Bill Tuthill
Subject: Re: Some Paddling Data
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Oci-One Kanubi <rhopley@earthlink.net > wrote:
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> The reporter also quotes a 21-year-old as saying "The younger
> generation is looking for more risky-type sports, something to test
> their limits more," yet the overwhelming majority of American kayakers
> are sea-kayakers or rec-boat paddlers who call themselves kayakers,
> neither of which is much of a "risky-type sport".
Obviously you have never canoed the Boundary Waters during mosquito season!
;-)
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Date: 17 Jun 2006 18:47:43
From: Garrison Hilliard
Subject: Kayaking popularity rises
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Kayaking popularity rises
By Joe Kay
Associated Press
ADVERTISEMENT
The bright red paddlewheel smacks the Ohio River in a rolling cadence, churning
a path through the mud-hued water. Trailing the riverboat is a solitary blue
kayak, riding the waves.
Steering with a double-ended paddle, a mustachioed man in a weathered baseball
cap darts through the froth. Passengers on the paddlewheeler are intrigued by
this meeting of Mark Twain-era transportation and jet-age recreation.
"You can get on one of those big waves, and it is unbelievable in terms of the
thrill of the ride," said Brewster Rhoads, a political consultant who kayaks the
river most days. "You can just surf it like with a surfboard. My record is 43
minutes on the same wave."
There aren't many waves like it around these parts. Paddlers in the Midwest have
to be inventive to enjoy one of the country's fastest-growing recreational
activities. They are.
Wherever there's water - pristine or polluted, in the heart of a city or out in
the hinterlands - there's likely to be a paddle stirring it. The Outdoor
Industry Foundation has tracked the popularity of bicycling, hiking, skiing,
kayaking and 18 other recreational activities over the last eight years, looking
for trends.
The paddlers have impressive numbers. Annual surveys indicate that kayaking has
doubled in popularity since 1998. The foundation, which encourages outdoor
activities, estimates that 12.6 million people got into a kayak last year. About
2 million of them kayak regularly.
In the Midwest, part of the fun is finding unusual places to test the limits.
The 28-mile Mill Creek, an industrial dumping spot for generations, got so
polluted that the conservation group American Rivers in 1997 designated it North
America's most endangered urban river. Bruce Koehler, an environmental planner,
sat through dozens of meetings about the roiled creek and heard the horror
stories. "I wanted to go down and see what we were talking about," he said.
In 1994, he first dipped a keel into the witches' brew of sewage and industrial
waste. As he paddled along, he saw a construction company bulldozing material
into the creek. An abandoned easy chair jutted from the middle of the channel.
Since then, he has taken more than 300 people on the creek for a firsthand look
at work that needs to be done. He dubs this hardy group the "Mill Creek Yacht
Club."
http://news.cincypost.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060617/NEWS01/606170374
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Date: 17 Jun 2006 17:26:46
From: Garrison Hilliard
Subject: Some Paddling Data
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Growing popularity
The Outdoor Industry Foundation based its estimates from its 2005 survey on the
results of an annual telephone survey using scientific sampling. The foundation
interviewed 2,000 people over the age of 15 and gauged their participation in 22
outdoor activities.
An estimated 12.6 million people got into a kayak at least once last year. About
2 million of them kayak regularly.
In 1998, about 4.2 million people had kayaked, and about 400,000 did it
regularly.
Kayakers tend to be young. Roughly 31 percent are in the 16-to-24 age group.
About 20 percent are 25-to-34, 21 percent are 35-to-44, and 28 percent are 45 or
older.
More women are kayaking these days. About 45 percent of the total were female, a
5 percent increase from the foundation's 2004 survey.
The Associated Press
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Date: 17 Jun 2006 20:48:23
From: Wilko
Subject: Re: Some Paddling Data
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Garrison Hilliard wrote:
> Growing popularity
> The Outdoor Industry Foundation based its estimates from its 2005 survey on the
> results of an annual telephone survey using scientific sampling. The foundation
> interviewed 2,000 people over the age of 15 and gauged their participation in 22
> outdoor activities.
>
> An estimated 12.6 million people got into a kayak at least once last year. About
> 2 million of them kayak regularly.
>
> In 1998, about 4.2 million people had kayaked, and about 400,000 did it
> regularly.
>
> Kayakers tend to be young. Roughly 31 percent are in the 16-to-24 age group.
> About 20 percent are 25-to-34, 21 percent are 35-to-44, and 28 percent are 45 or
> older.
>
> More women are kayaking these days. About 45 percent of the total were female, a
> 5 percent increase from the foundation's 2004 survey.
Interesting numbers, Gilliard. I just wonder what kind of kayaking those
45% of women participate in... Because I haven't seen that many yet. :-)
--
Wilko van den Bergh wilko<a t)dse(d o t >nl
Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe
---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.---
http://kayaker.nl/
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Date: 17 Jun 2006 22:20:11
From: Bob P
Subject: Re: Some Paddling Data
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>>
>> More women are kayaking these days. About 45 percent of the total were
>> female, a
>> 5 percent increase from the foundation's 2004 survey.
>
> Interesting numbers, Gilliard. I just wonder what kind of kayaking those
> 45% of women participate in... Because I haven't seen that many yet. :-)
>
>
Here in the northeastern USA, sea-kayaking is very popular and there
seems to be a fairly high proportion of women.
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Date: 18 Jun 2006 11:46:49
From: Wilko
Subject: Re: Some Paddling Data
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Bob P wrote:
>>>
>>> More women are kayaking these days. About 45 percent of the total
>>> were female, a
>>> 5 percent increase from the foundation's 2004 survey.
>>
>> Interesting numbers, Gilliard. I just wonder what kind of kayaking
>> those 45% of women participate in... Because I haven't seen that many
>> yet. :-)
>>
>
> Here in the northeastern USA, sea-kayaking is very popular and there
> seems to be a fairly high proportion of women.
Yeah, good point, Bob. I tend to limit myself to whitewater and surfing.
Of course, there are some countries where almost everyone has spent time
in a canoe, like the Czech Republic. There the amount of female
whitewater paddlers is pretty high.
--
Wilko van den Bergh wilko<a t)dse(d o t >nl
Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe
---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.---
http://kayaker.nl/
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Date: 18 Jun 2006 17:16:26
From: Grip
Subject: Re: Some Paddling Data
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I ws thinking white water too, and though our club's WW half's women
participants are rapidly growing, the bulk of our ladies are of the flat
water persuasion, 45 % seems a reasonable number.
"Wilko" <look_in@my.sig > wrote in message
news:C7GdnShJxoWWvAjZRVnyqQ@edutel.nl...
> Bob P wrote:
> >>>
> >>> More women are kayaking these days. About 45 percent of the total
> >>> were female, a
> >>> 5 percent increase from the foundation's 2004 survey.
> >>
> >> Interesting numbers, Gilliard. I just wonder what kind of kayaking
> >> those 45% of women participate in... Because I haven't seen that many
> >> yet. :-)
> >>
> >
> > Here in the northeastern USA, sea-kayaking is very popular and there
> > seems to be a fairly high proportion of women.
>
> Yeah, good point, Bob. I tend to limit myself to whitewater and surfing.
> Of course, there are some countries where almost everyone has spent time
> in a canoe, like the Czech Republic. There the amount of female
> whitewater paddlers is pretty high.
>
> --
> Wilko van den Bergh wilko<a t)dse(d o t>nl
> Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe
> ---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.---
> http://kayaker.nl/
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