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Date: 21 May 2004 06:11:19
From: Emir
Subject: Folding canoes
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Hi,
I'm thinking of buying my first canoe (rentals add up after a while), and I
saw that there are folding canoes (Ally and Pakboat seem to be the biggest
brands). All the info I managed to find through Google is largely sales pitch
from retailers, and 1 or 2 actual experience (at least that's how it's
presented) information.
From what I gather, they're very light and compact (packs into a duffel bag
you can check in on a commercial airline) and have been used successfully in
backcountry expeditions (aside from size/weight, they're easy to repair and
are flexible enough to glide over rocks rather than scrape). That's all
theory, I don't know anyone who has had first-hand experience with them. To
make matters worse, canoers I know here in Ontario are traditionalists and
have scorned me for even suggesting a canoe should be made of something other
than cedar strips (I somewhat exaggerate, but you get the point). Aside from
the price (starting around US$1,500), are there any serious drawbacks?
I was wondering if anyone on this list has one of these modern gadgets and
whether you'd be willing to share your experiences.
Thank you all very much in advance.
--
Emir.
"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed - and
thus clamorous to be led to safety - by menacing it with an endless series
of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." [H.L. Mencken]
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Date: 21 May 2004 14:47:48
From: Richard Ferguson
Subject: Re: Folding canoes
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Pakboats seem to be popular with the fly-in folks, easy to transport the
boat by floatplane, cheaper to transport a folder than a rigid canoe
etc. People that have tried them on expeditions report being pleasantly
surprised. I plan to buy one the next time I have a trip where
transporting a rigid canoe becomes a hassle or a big expense. I imagine
that one gives up a little performance compared to a rigid canoe.
Besides the transporation advantage, they are easy to store.
That said, I have not paddled one or even seen one.
Richard
Emir wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm thinking of buying my first canoe (rentals add up after a while), and I
> saw that there are folding canoes (Ally and Pakboat seem to be the biggest
> brands). All the info I managed to find through Google is largely sales pitch
> from retailers, and 1 or 2 actual experience (at least that's how it's
> presented) information.
>
> From what I gather, they're very light and compact (packs into a duffel bag
> you can check in on a commercial airline) and have been used successfully in
> backcountry expeditions (aside from size/weight, they're easy to repair and
> are flexible enough to glide over rocks rather than scrape). That's all
> theory, I don't know anyone who has had first-hand experience with them. To
> make matters worse, canoers I know here in Ontario are traditionalists and
> have scorned me for even suggesting a canoe should be made of something other
> than cedar strips (I somewhat exaggerate, but you get the point). Aside from
> the price (starting around US$1,500), are there any serious drawbacks?
>
> I was wondering if anyone on this list has one of these modern gadgets and
> whether you'd be willing to share your experiences.
>
> Thank you all very much in advance.
>
>
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Date: 31 May 2004 17:11:10
From: frank malinowski
Subject: Re: Folding canoes
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Also check out the open folding kayaks, they can be paddled as a kayak or
a canoe and will carry as much as a canoe. Folbot (www.folbot.com),
Klepper and Naturaid use this design. Check out Ralph Diaz's "Complete
Folding Kayaker" for details and much information.
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> Pakboats seem to be popular with the fly-in folks, easy to transport the
> boat by floatplane, cheaper to transport a folder than a rigid canoe
> etc. People that have tried them on expeditions report being pleasantly
> surprised. I plan to buy one the next time I have a trip where
> transporting a rigid canoe becomes a hassle or a big expense. I imagine
> that one gives up a little performance compared to a rigid canoe.
> Besides the transporation advantage, they are easy to store.
>
> That said, I have not paddled one or even seen one.
>
> Richard
>
>
> Emir wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm thinking of buying my first canoe (rentals add up after a while), and I
> > saw that there are folding canoes (Ally and Pakboat seem to be the biggest
> > brands). All the info I managed to find through Google is largely
sales pitch
> > from retailers, and 1 or 2 actual experience (at least that's how it's
> > presented) information.
> >
> > From what I gather, they're very light and compact (packs into a duffel bag
> > you can check in on a commercial airline) and have been used successfully in
> > backcountry expeditions (aside from size/weight, they're easy to repair and
> > are flexible enough to glide over rocks rather than scrape). That's all
> > theory, I don't know anyone who has had first-hand experience with them. To
> > make matters worse, canoers I know here in Ontario are traditionalists and
> > have scorned me for even suggesting a canoe should be made of
something other
> > than cedar strips (I somewhat exaggerate, but you get the point).
Aside from
> > the price (starting around US$1,500), are there any serious drawbacks?
> >
> > I was wondering if anyone on this list has one of these modern gadgets and
> > whether you'd be willing to share your experiences.
> >
> > Thank you all very much in advance.
> >
> >
>
>
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