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Date: 04 Jul 2005 08:34:41
From: Robert11
Subject: DEET Question
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Hello:
Have a question re DEET.
Have a friend who is lactose intolerant, and as a result apparently emits a
higher
level of CO2 than most folks while exhaling.
Mosquitos just love him in the summer.
If you go out with him, they all go to him. Really amazing.
Anyway, want him to try some of the stronger DEET products than he has been
using presently.
A bit worried about the 100% deet, as I read in several places over the
years that
at this strength it is a carcinogen and should be avoided.
True ?
Dropping down in strengths, I see iall the products seem to go from the 100%
to 30% for several 3M offerings.
Doesn't seem to be anything between 100% and 30%, surprisingly.
Is the 30 % "fairly" effective ?
How dangerous is this stuff per any recent research ?
Any other repellents "worth" trying ?
Thanks,
Bob
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Date: 14 Jul 2005 20:13:29
From: Eric Root
Subject: Re: DEET Question
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At my campground, the first year, we had one employee who used 100% DEET
daily. He experienced a seizure in Mid-August - paramedics and the whole
bit. He told us that his doctor attributed it to the DEET use, and that
DEET was at least a potent neuro-toxin, possibly carcinogenic. I checked
with some other doctors I know, and they indicated that they had no studies,
but the chemistry suggested that toxicity could well be a problem. We
supply our employees with bug jackets now, and I would not use DEET in any
concentration.
Eric
"Robert11" <rgsrose@notme.com > wrote in message
news:AeWdnXzXfK1CsVTfRVn-vw@comcast.com...
> Hello:
>
> Have a question re DEET.
>
> Have a friend who is lactose intolerant, and as a result apparently emits
> a higher
> level of CO2 than most folks while exhaling.
>
> Mosquitos just love him in the summer.
> If you go out with him, they all go to him. Really amazing.
>
> Anyway, want him to try some of the stronger DEET products than he has
> been using presently.
>
> A bit worried about the 100% deet, as I read in several places over the
> years that
> at this strength it is a carcinogen and should be avoided.
> True ?
>
> Dropping down in strengths, I see iall the products seem to go from the
> 100% to 30% for several 3M offerings.
> Doesn't seem to be anything between 100% and 30%, surprisingly.
>
> Is the 30 % "fairly" effective ?
>
> How dangerous is this stuff per any recent research ?
>
> Any other repellents "worth" trying ?
>
> Thanks,
> Bob
>
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Date: 07 Jul 2005 08:06:11
From: Oci-One Kanubi
Subject: Re: DEET Question
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Mothra wrote:
> I used 100% DEET once with the bloodthirsty Assateague Island
> mosquitos. I wound up with very strange dreams - am sure it affected
> my neuro system. I'd stay away from 100%.
Dude, admit it: you ALWAYS have strange dreams!
-Richard, His Kanubic Travesty
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Date: 06 Jul 2005 18:02:02
From: Mothra
Subject: Re: DEET Question
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I used 100% DEET once with the bloodthirsty Assateague Island
mosquitos. I wound up with very strange dreams - am sure it affected
my neuro system. I'd stay away from 100%.
I have fairly good success using Purification essential oil - which is
a combination of citronella and other natural oils.
www.youngliving.com/animarising
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Date: 04 Jul 2005 15:01:12
From: BCITORGB
Subject: Re: DEET Question
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The solution seems to be: live on the west coast where nasty bugs are
virtually unknown <GRIN >.
I've occasionally ventured east of the Coastal Mountains and found the
bugs to be very annoying indeed! I'm not inclined to douse my body in
potent chemicals, and covering up in clothing in the middle of the
summer seems like it's defeating the purpose of being outdoors.
Aaahhh, of course! That's why we call the Pacific coast God's Country!
OK, enough gloating for one day! Enjoy your DEET!
;-)
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Date: 04 Jul 2005 15:38:12
From: Scott Weiser
Subject: Re: DEET Question
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A Usenet persona calling itself Robert11 wrote:
> Hello:
>
> Have a question re DEET.
>
> Have a friend who is lactose intolerant, and as a result apparently emits a
> higher
> level of CO2 than most folks while exhaling.
>
> Mosquitos just love him in the summer.
> If you go out with him, they all go to him. Really amazing.
>
> Anyway, want him to try some of the stronger DEET products than he has been
> using presently.
>
> A bit worried about the 100% deet, as I read in several places over the
> years that
> at this strength it is a carcinogen and should be avoided.
> True ?
Nope, not unless you drink it and bathe in it every day for 40 years or so,
and even then it's probably a "no." DEET's been in widespread use since the
70s and there's no credible evidence of a cancer risk. Some individuals may
have specific chemical sensitivities to DEET or carrier components, but by
and large it's extremely safe.
But 100% DEET will melt many plastics. It's hell on fly lines and on some
sunglass frames. That's why lower concentrations are better. Well, that's
one reason. The other is that above 50%, the curve of added protection over
cost and amount of active ingredient sharply levels off. It's not a linear
relationship anymore, so you're really just wasting your money on 100% DEET
products, except in specific, high-risk situations, including exposure to
yellow fever, malaria and other such diseases and where heavy work is going
on (you're sweating a lot) or it's raining (which washes it off) or, I would
imagine, while boating.
>
> Dropping down in strengths, I see iall the products seem to go from the 100%
> to 30% for several 3M offerings.
> Doesn't seem to be anything between 100% and 30%, surprisingly.
>
> Is the 30 % "fairly" effective ?
10-35% is about as effective as 100% in most circumstances. However, the
current research seems to indicate that the percentage of DEET is more
important in re the LENGTH of time bugs will be repelled. Low concentrations
suggested for children may only last an hour to 90 minutes, while higher
concentrations last longer, but all seem to be similarly effective during
the effective period.
I like 3M "Ultrathon" myself, it has 34% DEET with a "controlled release"
additive that slows the evaporation of the active ingredient, which allows a
single application to be effective for up to 10 hours. I've found the
advertising to be accurate, as I use Ultrathon regularly while working
outside on my ranch, where there are many, many mosquitoes because of the
numerous wetland areas. I've changed from Cutters, which I used for many
years, to Ultrathon because one application is good for the whole day. It's
more expensive in the short run, but cheaper in the long run because you
don't have to keep reapplying it.
>
> How dangerous is this stuff per any recent research ?
Not very. And since there's really nothing else that's anywhere near as
reliable or effective, there's not much choice except to avoid going out
where mosquitoes live.
>
> Any other repellents "worth" trying ?
I've had good luck with Avon Skin So Soft while fly fishing in the past, but
it doesn't last very long and how well it works seems to depend entirely on
your individual body chemistry. For some, like me, it's effective. For
others, it's worse than nothing and seems to attract bugs.
I tend to use it on my hands and face while fly fishing because DEED melts
fly lines and tippets and seems to contaminate flies so fish will reject
them. But I use Ultrathon on my clothing most of the time.
The trick to not getting a DEET buzz is to apply it primarily to clothing,
only putting it on skin where it's unavoidable. That does mean wearing long
pants and long sleeved shirts and a hat rather than shorts and a tee shirt,
but you pays your dime, you takes your chances. I wear long clothes because
I really hate sunburn, so I don't usually have to do more than rub a bit on
ears and neck.
Your mileage may vary.
>
> Thanks,
> Bob
>
>
--
Regards,
Scott Weiser
"I love the Internet, I no longer have to depend on
friends, family and co-workers, I can annoy people WORLDWIDE!" TM
© 2005 Scott Weiser
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Date: 04 Jul 2005 15:11:19
From: Keenan & Julie
Subject: Re: DEET Question
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"Robert11" <rgsrose@notme.com > wrote in message
news:AeWdnXzXfK1CsVTfRVn-vw@comcast.com...
> Hello:
>
> Have a question re DEET.
>
> Have a friend who is lactose intolerant, and as a result apparently emits
> a higher
> level of CO2 than most folks while exhaling.
>
> Mosquitos just love him in the summer.
> If you go out with him, they all go to him. Really amazing.
>
> Anyway, want him to try some of the stronger DEET products than he has
> been using presently.
>
> A bit worried about the 100% deet, as I read in several places over the
> years that
> at this strength it is a carcinogen and should be avoided.
> True ?
>
> Dropping down in strengths, I see iall the products seem to go from the
> 100% to 30% for several 3M offerings.
> Doesn't seem to be anything between 100% and 30%, surprisingly.
>
> Is the 30 % "fairly" effective ?
>
> How dangerous is this stuff per any recent research ?
>
> Any other repellents "worth" trying ?
>
> Thanks,
> Bob
I personally find DEET to be a nasty chemical at any percentage, and I'd
much rather wear anti-bug clothing that put it on my skin. I used it as a
lad when out fishing with my dad and eventually realized that DEET gave me
headaches and made me feel sick.
K
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Date: 04 Jul 2005 10:11:40
From: Steve Cramer
Subject: Re: DEET Question
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Robert11 wrote:
> Have a friend who is lactose intolerant, and as a result apparently
> emits a higher level of CO2 than most folks while exhaling.
>
> Mosquitos just love him in the summer. If you go out with him, they
> all go to him. Really amazing.
>
> Anyway, want him to try some of the stronger DEET products than he
> has been using presently.
Why would you want to do that? I'd try to get him to come along all the
time just as he is. Better than a bug zapper.
--
Steve "Sangfroid" Cramer
Athens, GA
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Date: 04 Jul 2005 09:01:37
From: James Hill
Subject: Re: DEET Question
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There is no need to use the 100% solution. Several tests have shown that a
solution of 25% works fine, and has shown very little risk.
"Robert11" <rgsrose@notme.com > wrote in message
news:AeWdnXzXfK1CsVTfRVn-vw@comcast.com...
> Hello:
>
> Have a question re DEET.
>
> Have a friend who is lactose intolerant, and as a result apparently emits
> a higher
> level of CO2 than most folks while exhaling.
>
> Mosquitos just love him in the summer.
> If you go out with him, they all go to him. Really amazing.
>
> Anyway, want him to try some of the stronger DEET products than he has
> been using presently.
>
> A bit worried about the 100% deet, as I read in several places over the
> years that
> at this strength it is a carcinogen and should be avoided.
> True ?
>
> Dropping down in strengths, I see iall the products seem to go from the
> 100% to 30% for several 3M offerings.
> Doesn't seem to be anything between 100% and 30%, surprisingly.
>
> Is the 30 % "fairly" effective ?
>
> How dangerous is this stuff per any recent research ?
>
> Any other repellents "worth" trying ?
>
> Thanks,
> Bob
>
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