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Date: 18 Aug 2006 13:13:04
From: !Jones
Subject: Ama (outrigger) devices
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Hello,
We have a Hobie Mirage tandem kayak. We mainly use it for camping and
fishing protected salt water... some lite sailing. I'm a little less
that thrilled with the craft's stability with a heavy load. I'm
considering a pair of outriggers.
Anyone have any experience with these?
Jones
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Date: 26 Aug 2006 19:06:49
From: riverman
Subject: Re: Ama (outrigger) devices
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"!Jones" <x@y.com > wrote in message
news:rgebe2pltlib1kpivluootq5u51sv4tu6v@4ax.com...
> Hello,
>
> We have a Hobie Mirage tandem kayak. We mainly use it for camping and
> fishing protected salt water... some lite sailing. I'm a little less
> that thrilled with the craft's stability with a heavy load. I'm
> considering a pair of outriggers.
>
> Anyone have any experience with these?
>
> Jones
>
Hisssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss (making sign of the Cross
with fingers).
--riverman
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Date: 28 Aug 2006 02:11:05
From: tradervik
Subject: Re: Ama (outrigger) devices
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riverman wrote:
> "!Jones" <x@y.com> wrote in message
> news:rgebe2pltlib1kpivluootq5u51sv4tu6v@4ax.com...
>> Hello,
>>
>> We have a Hobie Mirage tandem kayak. We mainly use it for camping and
>> fishing protected salt water... some lite sailing. I'm a little less
>> that thrilled with the craft's stability with a heavy load. I'm
>> considering a pair of outriggers.
>>
>> Anyone have any experience with these?
>>
>> Jones
>>
>
>
> Hisssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss (making sign of the Cross
> with fingers).
Can someone take pity on a poor novice and explain this?
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Date: 28 Aug 2006 09:37:51
From: Wilko
Subject: Re: Ama (outrigger) devices
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tradervik wrote:
> riverman wrote:
>> "!Jones" <x@y.com> wrote in message
>> news:rgebe2pltlib1kpivluootq5u51sv4tu6v@4ax.com...
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> We have a Hobie Mirage tandem kayak. We mainly use it for camping and
>>> fishing protected salt water... some lite sailing. I'm a little less
>>> that thrilled with the craft's stability with a heavy load. I'm
>>> considering a pair of outriggers.
>>>
>>> Anyone have any experience with these?
>>>
>>> Jones
>>>
>>
>>
>> Hisssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss (making sign of the
>> Cross with fingers).
>
> Can someone take pity on a poor novice and explain this?
One word: "Sponsons"
Do a search at groups.google.com and you'll quickly know what this is
all about... In short: The moron who tried to sell this product of his
almost ruined this newsgroup.
--
Wilko van den Bergh wilko<a t)dse(d o t >nl
Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe
---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.---
http://kayaker.nl/
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Date: 30 Aug 2006 03:05:17
From: !Jones
Subject: Re: Ama (outrigger) devices
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On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 09:37:51 +0200, in rec.boats.paddle Wilko
<look_in@my.sig > wrote:
>Do a search at groups.google.com and you'll quickly know what this is
>all about... In short: The moron who tried to sell this product of his
>almost ruined this newsgroup.
OK, well, it ain't my product and I'm not him.
The way I see it:
Positive: I'd assume that they could add stability for traveling under
sail and when carrying a load... I'm guessing because I've not used
them.
Negative: if & when the ocean does manage to roll you, it's harder to
sort out. Plus they drag. They say that they ride up; however, this
would be a wind drag.
For what we actually *do*, I might make the trade. I'm like everyone
else in that, left unchecked, I tend to be a gear-head. I assume from
the intense negative reaction that people don't like them; however, I
see no intellegent replies that would help a person decide one way or
the other.
Jones
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Date: 30 Aug 2006 09:26:52
From: Wilko
Subject: Re: Ama (outrigger) devices
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!Jones wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 09:37:51 +0200, in rec.boats.paddle Wilko
> <look_in@my.sig> wrote:
>
>> Do a search at groups.google.com and you'll quickly know what this is
>> all about... In short: The moron who tried to sell this product of his
>> almost ruined this newsgroup.
>
> OK, well, it ain't my product and I'm not him.
>
> The way I see it:
>
> Positive: I'd assume that they could add stability for traveling under
> sail and when carrying a load... I'm guessing because I've not used
> them.
>
> Negative: if & when the ocean does manage to roll you, it's harder to
> sort out. Plus they drag. They say that they ride up; however, this
> would be a wind drag.
>
> For what we actually *do*, I might make the trade. I'm like everyone
> else in that, left unchecked, I tend to be a gear-head. I assume from
> the intense negative reaction that people don't like them; however, I
> see no intellegent replies that would help a person decide one way or
> the other.
Please don't be stopped by our pissed off response at this particular
dumbo's product spam. This moron tried to make them mandatory for
*every* kayak or canoe, and anyone with half a brain knows that the last
thing you want is a boat that is stable when upside down. For those of
us paddling in slightly more dynamic conditions (heavy sea, surf, rodeo
or whitewater for example), being stable upside down could have serious
repercussions.
--
Wilko van den Bergh wilko<a t)dse(d o t >nl
Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe
---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.---
http://kayaker.nl/
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Date: 30 Aug 2006 15:30:40
From: !Jones
Subject: Re: Ama (outrigger) devices... and harpoons & depth charges.
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On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 09:26:52 +0200, in rec.boats.paddle Wilko
<look_in@my.sig > wrote:
>> Negative: if & when the ocean does manage to roll you, it's harder to
>> sort out.
[...]
>For those of
>us paddling in slightly more dynamic conditions (heavy sea, surf, rodeo
>or whitewater for example), being stable upside down could have serious
>repercussions.
Yes, well, I believe I acknowledged that as an issue. Designing
*anything* is full of trade-offs... this is life. My issue is that,
left without a sanity check, I'll put so many gadgets and gizmos on it
that it'll need the extra flotation just to stay on the surface.
I guess I'd like to hear from someone who has actually used a set. If
I have a load of camping gear heading out to a barrier island and some
f**kwad hits me with a wake, will these help? Given that it does
flip, will I be able to right it by myself?
My partner is handicapped and is uncoordinated to the point where she
cannot drive a car; therefore, we tend to stay in protected water.
I'm aware that ama devices aren't for everyone.
Jones... who is going to mount a harpoon gun on the front... Sharks,
you know. (Do depth charges work better?)
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Date: 30 Aug 2006 17:53:26
From: Wilko
Subject: Re: Ama (outrigger) devices... and harpoons & depth charges.
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!Jones wrote:
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> Yes, well, I believe I acknowledged that as an issue. Designing
> *anything* is full of trade-offs... this is life. My issue is that,
> left without a sanity check, I'll put so many gadgets and gizmos on it
> that it'll need the extra flotation just to stay on the surface.
<snip >
> Jones... who is going to mount a harpoon gun on the front... Sharks,
> you know. (Do depth charges work better?)
LOL!!!
I'd go for a big laser, so you can also get rid of those pesky aliens
trying to abduct your boat! ;-)
--
Wilko van den Bergh wilko<a t)dse(d o t >nl
Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe
---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.---
http://kayaker.nl/
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 01:57:24
From: !Jones
Subject: Re: Ama (outrigger) devices... and harpoons & depth charges.
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On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:53:26 +0200, in rec.boats.paddle Wilko
<look_in@my.sig > wrote:
>!Jones wrote:
>>
>> Yes, well, I believe I acknowledged that as an issue. Designing
>> *anything* is full of trade-offs... this is life. My issue is that,
>> left without a sanity check, I'll put so many gadgets and gizmos on it
>> that it'll need the extra flotation just to stay on the surface.
><snip>
>> Jones... who is going to mount a harpoon gun on the front... Sharks,
>> you know. (Do depth charges work better?)
>
>LOL!!!
>
>I'd go for a big laser, so you can also get rid of those pesky aliens
>trying to abduct your boat! ;-)
Well, just lookin' around on the trusty old Google, I see that ama
boats have quite a devoted following, particularly down under.
Jones
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 06:51:23
From: tradervik
Subject: Re: Ama (outrigger) devices... and harpoons & depth charges.
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!Jones wrote:
> Well, just lookin' around on the trusty old Google, I see that ama
> boats have quite a devoted following, particularly down under.
"ama boats" are outrigger canoes. They're pretty popular all over the
world but, having originated with Polynesians, particularly in the
Pacific region. The Catalina Crossing race is coming up in September and
there should be well over 100 teams competing, each team consisting of 9
paddlers who rotate turns in a 6 person boat (paddlers change from the
water). I dabbled in sea kayaking a while ago and, more recently, dragon
boating, but have become hooked on outrigger to the point where I paddle
three or four times a week and have competed in races from 12 to 27
kilometers in length.
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Date: 28 Aug 2006 13:08:15
From: Michael Daly
Subject: Re: Ama (outrigger) devices
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Wilko wrote:
> One word: "Sponsons"
Uhhh, guys... sponsons and amas are two very different animals.
Mike
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