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Date: 15 Jun 2004 20:02:28
From: Alex Horvath
Subject: Air mattresses
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I have been using my ultralight backpacking equipment for kayaking and
I would like a little more comfort for kayaking especially in the
sleeping pad department.
The typical backpacking pads/air mattresses are too small in width and
are usually designed for low temps. After a lot of searching, the only
thing I found is the Sevylor Camping air mattress - 29" x 72" @ 2lbs.
Can anyone recommend some other products?
I have looked at all of the Thermarest and Big Agnes products.
Thanks
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Date: 18 Jun 2004 00:46:01
From: Matt Langenfeld
Subject: Re: Air mattresses
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For cubscout camping trips, we just go to the dollar store and get the
pool air beds. I've used the same one 5 times and hasn't let me down.
--
Matt Langenfeld
JEM Watercraft
jemwatercraft.com
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Date: 18 Jun 2004 09:20:41
From: Ken
Subject: Re: Air mattresses
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A cheap air mattress might be fine for simple overnights with the scouts,
but when on week long trips in the boundary waters, or more importantly, in
cold weather, they are simply not acceptable. Most Boy Scout troops
recommend that the boys use closed cell foam pads since they are almost
indestructible.
"Matt Langenfeld" <info@no-spam-jemwatercraft.com > wrote in message
news:dXqAc.15840$Y3.4375@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> For cubscout camping trips, we just go to the dollar store and get the
> pool air beds. I've used the same one 5 times and hasn't let me down.
>
>
> --
> Matt Langenfeld
> JEM Watercraft
> jemwatercraft.com
>
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Date: 19 Jun 2004 20:09:32
From: Alex Horvath
Subject: Re: Air mattresses
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Not to be argumentative, but Backpacking magazine says air mattresses
are more comfortable (and I agree) and they are now recommending the
Big Agnes over Thermarest. I have never understood why Thermarest
would believe that people would not want to take 30 seconds to blow up
a air mattress. The only advantage of having a lot of foam inside is
the insulating quality but of course that is not an issue for warm
weather kayaking/rafting.
The 2.5" thick, 72" long Big Agnes rolls up into a smaller package
than the smallest Thermarest I have, which is 20"x47"x1" and not very
comfy. The Big Agnes pads are no wider than 20" however so I would
still consider it a backpacking pad (and they make sleeping pads which
have pockets for the pad).
"Ken" <kj@quality.com > wrote in message news:<cautrs$ae2$1@newshost.mot.com>...
> A cheap air mattress might be fine for simple overnights with the scouts,
> but when on week long trips in the boundary waters, or more importantly, in
> cold weather, they are simply not acceptable. Most Boy Scout troops
> recommend that the boys use closed cell foam pads since they are almost
> indestructible.
>
> "Matt Langenfeld" <info@no-spam-jemwatercraft.com> wrote in message
> news:dXqAc.15840$Y3.4375@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> > For cubscout camping trips, we just go to the dollar store and get the
> > pool air beds. I've used the same one 5 times and hasn't let me down.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Matt Langenfeld
> > JEM Watercraft
> > jemwatercraft.com
> >
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Date: 21 Jun 2004 12:28:15
From: Jon C
Subject: Re: Air mattresses
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"Alex Horvath" <alexh1@sbcglobal.net > wrote in message
news:ab2306ad.0406191909.5e508b5@posting.google.com...
> Not to be argumentative, but Backpacking magazine says air mattresses
> are more comfortable (and I agree) and they are now recommending the
> Big Agnes over Thermarest. I have never understood why Thermarest
> would believe that people would not want to take 30 seconds to blow up
> a air mattress. The only advantage of having a lot of foam inside is
> the insulating quality but of course that is not an issue for warm
> weather kayaking/rafting.
It's not as much insulation as comfort.
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Date: 21 Jun 2004 01:14:19
From: Michael Daly
Subject: Re: Air mattresses
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On 19--2004, alexh1@sbcglobal.net (Alex Horvath) wrote:
> I have never understood why Thermarest
> would believe that people would not want to take 30 seconds to blow up
> a air mattress
30 Seconds?
From the Backpacker review:
http://www.backpacker.com/gear/article/0,1023,4006,00.html
"Since the Air Core is not self-inflating, it takes some effort
to blow up--typically 4 minutes of puffing"
That will make a lot of folks dizzy.
I don't intend to paddle with an air pump either - that would negate
the weight and volume advantage.
Mike
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Date: 22 Jun 2004 17:59:30
From: Bill Tuthill
Subject: Re: Air mattresses
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Michael Daly <michaelDaly@foo.bar > wrote:
> From the Backpacker review:
> http://www.backpacker.com/gear/article/0,1023,4006,00.html
>
> "Since the Air Core is not self-inflating, it takes some effort
> to blow up--typically 4 minutes of puffing"
> [also the lack-of-insulation problem]
Of what material is the Big Agnes Air Core mattress constructed?
I've never liked the feel of air mattresses (or water beds) but
friends who like air mattresses are often disappointed when their
air mattress pops on the first night out!
Thermarest has two new models, with lighter foam and fabric, and
a tapered design. The Prolite 3 weighs only 1 lb 4 oz, same as
the regular size Air Core, and is supposedly just as comfortable
as the original 1.5"-thick Thermarest.
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Date: 21 Jun 2004 09:38:11
From: Alex Horvath
Subject: Re: Air mattresses
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I must have big lungs...
Seriously if you can hike 10 miles per day, gaining 5000 feet in
altitude (typical here in CA) surely you can blow up an air mattress.
If you can't I suggest you check into a retirement home.
I don't really even need the air mattress except for the first nite
out which is usually my only somewhat sleepless nite due to large
difference in comfort level. After the fist nite I could sleep on a
rock.
"Michael Daly" <michaelDaly@foo.bar > wrote in message news:<JrmdnYdmd_nEq0vdRVn-hQ@magma.ca>...
> On 19--2004, alexh1@sbcglobal.net (Alex Horvath) wrote:
>
> > I have never understood why Thermarest
> > would believe that people would not want to take 30 seconds to blow up
> > a air mattress
>
> 30 Seconds?
>
> From the Backpacker review:
> http://www.backpacker.com/gear/article/0,1023,4006,00.html
>
> "Since the Air Core is not self-inflating, it takes some effort
> to blow up--typically 4 minutes of puffing"
>
> That will make a lot of folks dizzy.
>
> I don't intend to paddle with an air pump either - that would negate
> the weight and volume advantage.
>
> Mike
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Date: 21 Jun 2004 08:14:14
From: Chris Webster
Subject: Re: Air mattresses
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>>I have never understood why Thermarest
>>would believe that people would not want to take 30 seconds to blow up
>>a air mattress
>
>
> 30 Seconds?
I typically spend 0 seconds. I throw it out and it self inflates after
a few minutes. You're not supposed to blow it up rock hard.
--Chris
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Date: 16 Jun 2004 13:04:24
From: Paddlec1
Subject: Re: Air mattresses
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>Can anyone recommend some other products?
>
>I have looked at all of the Thermarest and Big Agnes products.
>
>Thanks
Just picked up a Thermarest 30x77 called the Megarest. It's nice, and it's
comfy.
Dennis
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Date: 16 Jun 2004 05:35:56
From: Jon C
Subject: Re: Air mattresses
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If you want comfy, you can't beat the Thermarest Luxury series. There's no
way a pool toy can be anywhere near as comfortable as a 2" thick dense-foam
filled mattress.
"Alex Horvath" <alexh1@sbcglobal.net > wrote in message
news:ab2306ad.0406151902.550d7af3@posting.google.com...
> I have been using my ultralight backpacking equipment for kayaking and
> I would like a little more comfort for kayaking especially in the
> sleeping pad department.
>
> The typical backpacking pads/air mattresses are too small in width and
> are usually designed for low temps. After a lot of searching, the only
> thing I found is the Sevylor Camping air mattress - 29" x 72" @ 2lbs.
>
> Can anyone recommend some other products?
>
> I have looked at all of the Thermarest and Big Agnes products.
>
> Thanks
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Date: 16 Jun 2004 01:31:56
From: Theodore F. Marz
Subject: Re: Air mattresses
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Jack's Plastic Welding Paco Pads are well thought of by many.
For "heavier" camping, we use a ~4" thick queen size air bed which
just fits in the 3 person tent.
On 15 2004 20:02:28 -0700, alexh1@sbcglobal.net (Alex Horvath)
wrote:
>I have been using my ultralight backpacking equipment for kayaking and
>I would like a little more comfort for kayaking especially in the
>sleeping pad department.
>
>The typical backpacking pads/air mattresses are too small in width and
>are usually designed for low temps. After a lot of searching, the only
>thing I found is the Sevylor Camping air mattress - 29" x 72" @ 2lbs.
>
>Can anyone recommend some other products?
>
>I have looked at all of the Thermarest and Big Agnes products.
>
>Thanks
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