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Date: 29 Apr 2007 10:37:28
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Subject: Access to Maryland C & O Canal Paw Paw tunnel
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Is it possible to canoe through the Paw paw tunnel on the C & O
Canal? If so, where is a good place to access the canal,
preferably on the south side of the side of the tunnel?
Also, does Maryland have registration requirements for canoes?
Mine is 18' and unpowered, it was once registered in Ohio, but
that number is almost faded away.
Many thanks in advance.
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FF
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Date: 14 May 2007 04:27:53
From: larry g
Subject: Re: Access to Maryland C & O Canal Paw Paw tunnel
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On May 13, 9:46 pm, Tom McCloud <mccloud-...@worldnet.att.net > wrote:
> I have not paddled through the Paw Paw Tunnel, but I have walked
> through it several times, and on one of those occasions there was a
> couple in a canoe paddling through. There is water in the tunnel
> most of the time, I believe, though I don't think it is very deep in
> places, and I do not believe there is any effort made on the part of
> the park service to maintain a water level there. There is very
> little of the canal watered either above or below the tunnel itself.
> Below, maybe 100 yards before there is an earthen berm. Above I
> don't know. Closest drive-to access is at the upstream end where
> there is a parking lot for people hiking the C&O canal towpath. You
> might consider hauling a canoe on a dolly from there. But a better
> alternative would be to launch from there on the Potomac, and then
> portage up the berm to the canal just above the tunnel. There is a
> C&O towpath campground about a half mile downriver on the Potomac from
> the downstream end of the tunnel. Camp there overnight and paddle on
> to Little Orleans, and take out the next day. Tom McCloud
>
> On 13 May 2007 10:14:21 -0700, fredfigh...@spamcop.net wrote:
>
>
>
> >On May 13, 9:50 am, larry g <gross.la...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On May 12, 11:47 am, fredfigh...@spamcop.net wrote:
>
> >> ...
>
> >> Paddling a canoe - in the canal itself - upstream of Great Falls and
> >> downstream of Cumberland ... which includes the tunnel ... would be
> >> problematic... as the canal is not maintained to be navigable... i.e.
> >> it has fallen trees in it, and it has filled in, in places, and
> >> completely dry (or muck) in other places.
>
> >> It's just not a venue for canoeing...
>
> >That I didn't know. The commonly available information about the
> >canal does not describe its condition. I've only seen the canal near
> >Great Falls, where it is watered. The photos of the tunnel
> >show it watered there. Photos of some of the aqueducts between
> >there and Great Falls clearly show it filled in so I knew it was not
> >continuously watered from the tunnel to DC.
>
> >I was hoping it was watered for several miles on at least one side
> >of the tunnel.
>
> >Thanks.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
take a look at this topo:
http://www.localhikes.com/images/MSA_0000/Paw_Paw_tunnel/Paw_Paw_tunnel_Topo.Jpg
the problem is that the tunnel itself is away from the river... and
even though Tom is right about some water at the tunnel itself.. the
issue is... how to you get the canoe to and from the river to the part
of the canal that has water in it.. and even then.. the amount of
water in the canal tunnel is limited.. and shallow...
I've never seen a canoe there but if Tom did.. I believe him.. but the
how and why behind getting the canoe there... is not simple... like I
said before.. it would need to be more of a quest than a lark.
More helpful info if you GOOGLE IMAGES with "paw paw tunnel" in
quotes. It'll give you a good idea of the situation.
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Date: 13 May 2007 10:14:21
From:
Subject: Re: Access to Maryland C & O Canal Paw Paw tunnel
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On May 13, 9:50 am, larry g <gross.la...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On May 12, 11:47 am, fredfigh...@spamcop.net wrote:
>
>
>
> ...
>
> Paddling a canoe - in the canal itself - upstream of Great Falls and
> downstream of Cumberland ... which includes the tunnel ... would be
> problematic... as the canal is not maintained to be navigable... i.e.
> it has fallen trees in it, and it has filled in, in places, and
> completely dry (or muck) in other places.
>
> It's just not a venue for canoeing...
That I didn't know. The commonly available information about the
canal does not describe its condition. I've only seen the canal near
Great Falls, where it is watered. The photos of the tunnel
show it watered there. Photos of some of the aqueducts between
there and Great Falls clearly show it filled in so I knew it was not
continuously watered from the tunnel to DC.
I was hoping it was watered for several miles on at least one side
of the tunnel.
Thanks.
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FF
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Date: 14 May 2007 01:46:54
From: Tom McCloud
Subject: Re: Access to Maryland C & O Canal Paw Paw tunnel
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I have not paddled through the Paw Paw Tunnel, but I have walked
through it several times, and on one of those occasions there was a
couple in a canoe paddling through. There is water in the tunnel
most of the time, I believe, though I don't think it is very deep in
places, and I do not believe there is any effort made on the part of
the park service to maintain a water level there. There is very
little of the canal watered either above or below the tunnel itself.
Below, maybe 100 yards before there is an earthen berm. Above I
don't know. Closest drive-to access is at the upstream end where
there is a parking lot for people hiking the C&O canal towpath. You
might consider hauling a canoe on a dolly from there. But a better
alternative would be to launch from there on the Potomac, and then
portage up the berm to the canal just above the tunnel. There is a
C&O towpath campground about a half mile downriver on the Potomac from
the downstream end of the tunnel. Camp there overnight and paddle on
to Little Orleans, and take out the next day. Tom McCloud
On 13 May 2007 10:14:21 -0700, fredfighter@spamcop.net wrote:
>On May 13, 9:50 am, larry g <gross.la...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On May 12, 11:47 am, fredfigh...@spamcop.net wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> ...
>>
>> Paddling a canoe - in the canal itself - upstream of Great Falls and
>> downstream of Cumberland ... which includes the tunnel ... would be
>> problematic... as the canal is not maintained to be navigable... i.e.
>> it has fallen trees in it, and it has filled in, in places, and
>> completely dry (or muck) in other places.
>>
>> It's just not a venue for canoeing...
>
>That I didn't know. The commonly available information about the
>canal does not describe its condition. I've only seen the canal near
>Great Falls, where it is watered. The photos of the tunnel
>show it watered there. Photos of some of the aqueducts between
>there and Great Falls clearly show it filled in so I knew it was not
>continuously watered from the tunnel to DC.
>
>I was hoping it was watered for several miles on at least one side
>of the tunnel.
>
>
>Thanks.
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Date: 13 May 2007 02:50:26
From: larry g
Subject: Re: Access to Maryland C & O Canal Paw Paw tunnel
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On May 12, 11:47 am, fredfigh...@spamcop.net wrote:
> On May 7, 6:01 pm, larry g <gross.la...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 30, 10:25 am, Oci-One Kanubi <rhop...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 29, 1:37 pm, fredfigh...@spamcop.net wrote:
>
> > > > Is it possible to canoe through the Paw paw tunnel on the C & O
> > > > Canal? If so, where is a good place to access the canal,
> > > > preferably on the south side of the side of the tunnel?
>
> > > > Also, does Maryland have registration requirements for canoes?
>
> > > > Mine is 18' and unpowered, it was once registered in Ohio, but
> > > > that number is almost faded away.
>
> > > No boat registration required in Maryland.
>
> > > Dunno about the tunnel. Most of the canal is dewatered above
> > > Violette's Lock in the northwestern suburbs of Washington, DC, though
> > > it may be re-watered in short stretches that are particularly tourist-
> > > friendly. Google National Park Service or C&O National Historical
> > > Park for information, particularly for the phone number of the
> > > relevant Ranger Station.
>
> > > There is a great map of the entire C&O canal and towpath available
> > > from the Park Service (and maybe on their website), that shows all of
> > > the frequent access point to the canal/towpath
>
> > ...
>
> > If the idea is to divert from the river .. and through the canal/
> > tunnel and back out into the river... forget it.
>
> No problem. I was hoping that the canal was watered for a few miles
> north or south of the tunnel, at least up to some point where I
> could drive close to it before unloading the canoe. I hadn't
> planned on paddling all the way from DC.
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > It's dark in the tunnel (hard to see the channel)... and there are
> > rocks in the canal... you'd have to climb up to the canal/tunnel from
> > the river..
>
> Well in that case I need to know how to get the canoe to the river...
>
> --
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> FF- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Not sure I understand.
Paddling a canoe - in the canal itself - upstream of Great Falls and
downstream of Cumberland ... which includes the tunnel ... would be
problematic... as the canal is not maintained to be navigable... i.e.
it has fallen trees in it, and it has filled in, in places, and
completely dry (or muck) in other places.
It's just not a venue for canoeing...
As far as access to the river - itself - they are many at existing
highway bridge crossings.... as well as at some of the access points
to the canal - ... just grab the appropriate map online or paper...
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Date: 12 May 2007 08:47:10
From:
Subject: Re: Access to Maryland C & O Canal Paw Paw tunnel
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On May 7, 6:01 pm, larry g <gross.la...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Apr 30, 10:25 am, Oci-One Kanubi <rhop...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 29, 1:37 pm, fredfigh...@spamcop.net wrote:
>
> > > Is it possible to canoe through the Paw paw tunnel on the C & O
> > > Canal? If so, where is a good place to access the canal,
> > > preferably on the south side of the side of the tunnel?
>
> > > Also, does Maryland have registration requirements for canoes?
>
> > > Mine is 18' and unpowered, it was once registered in Ohio, but
> > > that number is almost faded away.
>
> > No boat registration required in Maryland.
>
> > Dunno about the tunnel. Most of the canal is dewatered above
> > Violette's Lock in the northwestern suburbs of Washington, DC, though
> > it may be re-watered in short stretches that are particularly tourist-
> > friendly. Google National Park Service or C&O National Historical
> > Park for information, particularly for the phone number of the
> > relevant Ranger Station.
>
> > There is a great map of the entire C&O canal and towpath available
> > from the Park Service (and maybe on their website), that shows all of
> > the frequent access point to the canal/towpath
>
> ...
>
> If the idea is to divert from the river .. and through the canal/
> tunnel and back out into the river... forget it.
No problem. I was hoping that the canal was watered for a few miles
north or south of the tunnel, at least up to some point where I
could drive close to it before unloading the canoe. I hadn't
planned on paddling all the way from DC.
...
>
> It's dark in the tunnel (hard to see the channel)... and there are
> rocks in the canal... you'd have to climb up to the canal/tunnel from
> the river..
Well in that case I need to know how to get the canoe to the river...
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FF
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Date: 07 May 2007 11:01:09
From: larry g
Subject: Re: Access to Maryland C & O Canal Paw Paw tunnel
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On Apr 30, 10:25 am, Oci-One Kanubi <rhop...@earthlink.net > wrote:
> On Apr 29, 1:37 pm, fredfigh...@spamcop.net wrote:
>
> > Is it possible to canoe through the Paw paw tunnel on the C & O
> > Canal? If so, where is a good place to access the canal,
> > preferably on the south side of the side of the tunnel?
>
> > Also, does Maryland have registration requirements for canoes?
>
> > Mine is 18' and unpowered, it was once registered in Ohio, but
> > that number is almost faded away.
>
> No boat registration required in Maryland.
>
> Dunno about the tunnel. Most of the canal is dewatered above
> Violette's Lock in the northwestern suburbs of Washington, DC, though
> it may be re-watered in short stretches that are particularly tourist-
> friendly. Google National Park Service or C&O National Historical
> Park for information, particularly for the phone number of the
> relevant Ranger Station.
>
> There is a great map of the entire C&O canal and towpath available
> from the Park Service (and maybe on their website), that shows all of
> the frequent access point to the canal/towpath
>
> -Richard, His Kanubic Travesty
> --
> ======================================================================
> Richard Hopley Winston-Salem, NC, USA
> . rhopley[at]earthlink[dot]net
> . Nothing really matters except Boats, Sex, and Rock'n'Roll
> . rhopley[at]wfubmc[dot]edu
> . OK, OK; computer programming for scientific research also matters
> ======================================================================
If the idea is to divert from the river .. and through the canal/
tunnel and back out into the river... forget it.
:-)
It's dark in the tunnel (hard to see the channel)... and there are
rocks in the canal... you'd have to climb up to the canal/tunnel from
the river.. haul your boat.. etc.. and so it doesn't look like
something that would be worth the effort... unless you got a quest or
something.. and you just gotta do it... :-)
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Date: 30 Apr 2007 07:25:34
From: Oci-One Kanubi
Subject: Re: Access to Maryland C & O Canal Paw Paw tunnel
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On Apr 29, 1:37 pm, fredfigh...@spamcop.net wrote:
> Is it possible to canoe through the Paw paw tunnel on the C & O
> Canal? If so, where is a good place to access the canal,
> preferably on the south side of the side of the tunnel?
>
> Also, does Maryland have registration requirements for canoes?
>
> Mine is 18' and unpowered, it was once registered in Ohio, but
> that number is almost faded away.
No boat registration required in Maryland.
Dunno about the tunnel. Most of the canal is dewatered above
Violette's Lock in the northwestern suburbs of Washington, DC, though
it may be re-watered in short stretches that are particularly tourist-
friendly. Google National Park Service or C&O National Historical
Park for information, particularly for the phone number of the
relevant Ranger Station.
There is a great map of the entire C&O canal and towpath available
from the Park Service (and maybe on their website), that shows all of
the frequent access point to the canal/towpath
-Richard, His Kanubic Travesty
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Richard Hopley Winston-Salem, NC, USA
. rhopley[at]earthlink[dot]net
. Nothing really matters except Boats, Sex, and Rock'n'Roll
. rhopley[at]wfubmc[dot]edu
. OK, OK; computer programming for scientific research also matters
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